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shaowebb

Get your guns on. Sheriff is back.
Okay I just found a SINGLE move in custom moves so broken it could get them thrown out of tournies.

Mario's Gust Wind. It replaces his regular cape reflect and allows him to attack with a light puff of wind as a short range projectile to blow enemies back.
That is unless you point blank it.

A forward smash from Mario knocks folks about 6 Punching bags away from him. THE GUST WIND CAPE POINT BLANK SENDS THEM AROUND 13 PUNCHING BAG LENGTHS!
Yup. This is what I've been using when customs have been allowed. It's kinda redic.

Although, it is a fixed knockback, while f-smash isn't.
Never forget the power a fixed knockback move represents though. Thats one of the things that made Fox/Falco using Shine so scary...god help us if folks develop that kind of tech for Gust cape.
 

Pan1cMode

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Never forget the power a fixed knockback move represents though. Thats one of the things that made Fox/Falco using Shine so scary...god help us if folks develop that kind of tech for Gust cape.
With high pressure flood and gust cape, Mario becomes stupid good at edge guarding.
 

Paul the Octopus

Slow Starter
Mario can up-tilt Link to juggle him until 40%... SOOO MANY COMBOS

But really, I'm not hating on the game, just saying it's not as competitive as Melee and Project M. Is that really so controversial to say?? It's pretty much accepted that while you can play Brawl competitively, it's just not on the level of Melee or Project M. It's weird people have to try to call me out if I simply apply the same thing to the new game- when it clearly doesn't have the technicality Melee or Project M has.
Lol i was accosted about this a few pages ago. Apparently no negative comments are allowed, even if they are objectively true and not aggressively communicated.

Almost all competitive smash players (including Brawl ones) agree that this game is much more like Brawl than any other version of the game. It's also universally agreed that there are some combos, but the amount is significantly smaller than melee. The amount of true combos longer than two consecutive hits is extremely low. Go to smashboards and ask these questions and I assure you that you will hear the same thing.

I won't make any declarations about the competitiveness of the game - as others have said it is new, and that remains to be seen. However, the combo potential is unambiguously the lowest in the series besides Brawl.

I own the game and like it - I've played ~500 games so far and plan to continue playing it. You guys need to lighten up and accept fair criticisms of the game. No one is saying it's bad, just that its combos are disappointing to some people. It's ok to accept that a game has flaws - it can still be excellent, just as injustice is still a good game despite its walk speed issues.
 

Fromundaman

I write too much.
Lol i was accosted about this a few pages ago. Apparently no negative comments are allowed, even if they are objectively true and not aggressively communicated.

Almost all competitive smash players (including Brawl ones) agree that this game is much more like Brawl than any other version of the game. It's also universally agreed that there are some combos, but the amount is significantly smaller than melee. The amount of true combos longer than two consecutive hits is extremely low. Go to smashboards and ask these questions and I assure you that you will hear the same thing.

I won't make any declarations about the competitiveness of the game - as others have said it is new, and that remains to be seen. However, the combo potential is unambiguously the lowest in the series besides Brawl.

I own the game and like it - I've played ~500 games so far and plan to continue playing it. You guys need to lighten up and accept fair criticisms of the game. No one is saying it's bad, just that its combos are disappointing to some people. It's ok to accept that a game has flaws - it can still be excellent, just as injustice is still a good game despite its walk speed issues.
I both agree and disagree at the same time. Saying a game has less combos than Melee is not the same as saying it has no combos. It does have less combos than Melee, and 64 combos were retarded so not getting into those. It is closer to Brawl than Melee, though aspects of both are present.

That said, there are definitely true combos in this game, even at higher percents. At the very least I know Megaman and Pacman (My main 2) can combo fairly easily.
 

Pan1cMode

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I both agree and disagree at the same time. Saying a game has less combos than Melee is not the same as saying it has no combos. It does have less combos than Melee, and 64 combos were retarded so not getting into those. It is closer to Brawl than Melee, though aspects of both are present.

That said, there are definitely true combos in this game, even at higher percents. At the very least I know Megaman and Pacman (My main 2) can combo fairly easily.
This was essentially my argument.
 

shaowebb

Get your guns on. Sheriff is back.
Apparently Amazon leaked board game mode and challenge mode with challenges issued by crazy hand and master hand. No screenshots but confirmed it is.
 

shaowebb

Get your guns on. Sheriff is back.
"Less competitive than Melee"
Lol...JK. This is why I wait on meta. Things come out that can surprise you. Bowser is showing up all guns blazing in Smash 4. Dude got all kinds of stuff.
 

HoneyBee

Flash God Lord
I found some pretty cool Ness-specific tech after playing around with dodge cancelling. I'm not sure if other characters can do this but it wouldn't hurt testing it out with your own mains!

 

shaowebb

Get your guns on. Sheriff is back.
some matches I had this morning with some japs. https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLL3EA-3mV-Lku8KL5ZxjMCu3NNCDREHV4

I am loving peach. I thought Bowser Jr would be my boy, but Peach is quickly stealing my heart.
Any tips for Peach? Her float canceling and such feels different than Project M to me and I'm still trying to get the hang of edge canceling and veggies. I played mine more focused on air juggling and rushdown in Project M and this Peach feels more in and out zoner or something...
 

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
Any tips for Peach? Her float canceling and such feels different than Project M to me and I'm still trying to get the hang of edge canceling and veggies. I played mine more focused on air juggling and rushdown in Project M and this Peach feels more in and out zoner or something...
I think she is going to be different than Melee Peach.

She doesn't have incincibility on some of her shenanigans anymore. I use her as more of an in and out. Her down air is REALLY good. I spend a lot of the time just psyching out my opponent by jumping forward and floating backwards. If they commit to anything, they get float cancelled and smashed/neutral aired which are both VERY good.

Her Down smash is amazing. It has a small vacuum property to it and catches a lot of characters dashes. I still am getting the hang of her but she has some really good strengths.

The best part tho, is her "Did I win" win pose lol
 

shaowebb

Get your guns on. Sheriff is back.
I think she is going to be different than Melee Peach.

She doesn't have incincibility on some of her shenanigans anymore. I use her as more of an in and out. Her down air is REALLY good. I spend a lot of the time just psyching out my opponent by jumping forward and floating backwards. If they commit to anything, they get float cancelled and smashed/neutral aired which are both VERY good.

Her Down smash is amazing. It has a small vacuum property to it and catches a lot of characters dashes. I still am getting the hang of her but she has some really good strengths.

The best part tho, is her "Did I win" win pose lol
For me its her "la lala la laaaa laaa" dance. :)

Seems like you confirmed the impression I was getting of her though...she's not the same as she used to be and her approach has changed. Its been throwing my rhythm that I developed for her in Project M off for certain. I'll keep messing with her and see if this new style of Peach eventually clicks for me too I guess. She's not bad but you don't play her the way you played the old Peach.
 

shaowebb

Get your guns on. Sheriff is back.
Its been awhile since launch. Who do you find yourself having the most success as in Smash 4 so far? For me...its surprisingly not Ganondorf who I have the most experience with nor Little Mac. Not even Peach...I'm doing the most consistent with Dr Mario,Dedede and Pacman somehow. I've mained the Dorfer for 10 years, mained Peach in Project M and went in hard on Little Mac.

For some reason though I'm the most consistenet with the freakshow I listed above. Came as an odd surprise. Who is putting in the best results for the rest of you so far?
 

Pan1cMode

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Its been awhile since launch. Who do you find yourself having the most success as in Smash 4 so far? For me...its surprisingly not Ganondorf who I have the most experience with nor Little Mac. Not even Peach...I'm doing the most consistent with Dr Mario,Dedede and Pacman somehow. I've mained the Dorfer for 10 years, mained Peach in Project M and went in hard on Little Mac.

For some reason though I'm the most consistenet with the freakshow I listed above. Came as an odd surprise. Who is putting in the best results for the rest of you so far?
Rosalina (no surprises there), Zelda (I've used her the most so it's to be expected) and Mario (offline. Online he sucks shit).
 

Cabronium

Stream monster: Qperg.
Its been awhile since launch. Who do you find yourself having the most success as in Smash 4 so far? For me...its surprisingly not Ganondorf who I have the most experience with nor Little Mac. Not even Peach...I'm doing the most consistent with Dr Mario,Dedede and Pacman somehow. I've mained the Dorfer for 10 years, mained Peach in Project M and went in hard on Little Mac.

For some reason though I'm the most consistenet with the freakshow I listed above. Came as an odd surprise. Who is putting in the best results for the rest of you so far?
I'm having a lot of success with robin. I really like zelda in this game too. I'm going to try Ganondorf but i can't imagine it being a good idea but fuck it
 

PPJ

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Elder God
NetherRealm Studios
caved in and bought the game and a 2ds the other day. 2895-9102-0278. im not that good yet