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Pan1cMode

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Right now I'm running Rosalina, Zelda and Mario.

I also like Wii Fit Trainer and Bowser Junior. Oddly enough, I haven't touched Olimar or Diddy even though they were my mains in Brawl.
 
Fromundaman

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shaowebb said:
Ganondorf. I've mained him for nearly a decade. I also play Little Mac (as you could guess given my Ganondorf love) and I have a backpocket Megaman/Peach. I keep thinking REAL hard about co-maining Peach though since she is by far my main in Project M.
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Ah. Ahhhh.... Yeah... ahhhh...

See, I like Ganon a lot (And have even used him in tournament now), but I honestly don't see how he's going to win against Rosalina. He doesn't really have a good way to seperate and kill Luma.

If you're in the FB group add me and we can run matches to try and figure the MU out.

Main things to note about Rosalina are Luma behaviors:

-When she's spinning in the air she is in free fall. She can't do anything in this stance.
-Any Luma attack can be special canceled if Rosalina is in neutral.
-When synced Luma punishes you for grabbing Rosalina.
-Luma cannot shield. If you can force Rosalina to shield with Luma near it, she will take damage, and all smashes throw her into free fall.
-Luma is a kill move. Literally everything she has can kill so avoid her when you are at high %s.


Also I don't know how well it works against Rosalina but it works against a lot of other characters:
Try to gimp her with the reverse Uair semi-spike offstage. That semi-spike is GODLIKE in this game and is instant death for almost anyone at any % while being much easier to land than his actual Dair.

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If you decide to go Megaman against her, use lots of crash bomb; it detonates when it hits Luma. Also Fsmash Luma anytime they desynch. Be careful with metal blade though as while it is very good, Rosalina can take it from you with her Down B.
 
LEGEND

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really tired of fighting randoms, if anyone wants to play here is my friend code: 0061 2187 7057

i Mostly use Falcon and the Fire emblem characters
 
Fromundaman

Fromundaman

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Wow...
That infinite is stupid, but I guess I'm done trying to learn the Sheik matchup with Megaman. It's not even difficult for Rosalina to get you in that position...

EDIT:

On a side note, I'm a rosalina player and even I have to ask: Why does her Nair not have a sour spot?!
 
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Jimmypotato

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see, and the hardcore smash community was worried this wasn't gonna be a good game :) have you guys seen the one touch death shit if you are Game and Watch and Pikachu team :). I thought smash community loved this shit ?
 
Fromundaman

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Jimmypotato said:
see, and the hardcore smash community was worried this wasn't gonna be a good game :) have you guys seen the one touch death shit if you are Game and Watch and Pikachu team :). I thought smash community loved this shit ?
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Where did you get that idea? Smash community is highly opposed to shit like that, ESPECIALLY with the low risk involved and it's already getting banned.

I was originally a smash player, and TBH it is kind of funny to see an NRS player make a statement like this though :DOGE



EDIT:

On a more serious note:


http://smashboards.com/threads/roll-cancel-grabs.371874/

http://smashboards.com/threads/perfect-pivot-foxtrotting-dashdancing.371139/



This tech looks really hard and really interesting.
 
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pogse

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Fromundaman said:
Where did you get that idea? Smash community is highly opposed to shit like that, ESPECIALLY with the low risk involved and it's already getting banned.

I was originally a smash player, and TBH it is kind of funny to see an NRS player make a statement like this though :DOGE



EDIT:

On a more serious note:


http://smashboards.com/threads/roll-cancel-grabs.371874/

http://smashboards.com/threads/perfect-pivot-foxtrotting-dashdancing.371139/



This tech looks really hard and really interesting.
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Thanks! I need this with IKE.

edit: now my hand huuurts.
 
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Solo

Solo

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I just noticed Chespin has the wrong voice. He's say Tepig.

I haven't watched Pokemon in a while, but I assuming it's wrong.

Edit: Just looked on YouTube, I guess it's just my game.
 
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Tony at Home

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I will deliberately be playing whatever character turns out to be cheap and broken

aka whatever character allows me to still play like this is Project M or Brawl- allowing me to actually combo and get good throw setups.

Right now best guess is Roselina and Luma, having two out there makes up for the game's bias against offence.

I'm still praying for a "Project M" version of this game though. So much potential, but it's wasted with the ridiculously low hit stun...
 
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LtLuthor said:
I will deliberately be playing whatever character turns out to be cheap and broken

aka whatever character allows me to still play like this is Project M or Brawl- allowing me to actually combo and get good throw setups.

Right now best guess is Roselina and Luma, having two out there makes up for the game's bias against offence.

I'm still praying for a "Project M" version of this game though. So much potential, but it's wasted with the ridiculously low hit stun...
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Most broken character is definitely Rosalina, but you're wrong about hit stun. It sounds like you haven't even played the game because heaps of characters have combos, chaingrabs and throw setups. Put your bias away before you start playing.
 
Tony at Home

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Pan1cMode said:
Most broken character is definitely Rosalina, but you're wrong about hit stun. It sounds like you haven't even played the game because heaps of characters have combos, chaingrabs and throw setups. Put your bias away before you start playing.
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It's not bias. There's not enough hit stun. I saw someone recover before they could be combo'd out of a throw, which should have been impossible at that percent if it was Project M or Melee.
 
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LtLuthor said:
It's not bias. There's not enough hit stun. I saw someone recover before they could be combo'd out of a throw, which should have been impossible at that percent if it was Project M or Melee.
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Yeah.... That's what we call bias.

"Injustice sucks because it doesn't have a block button like MK".

Just because it doesn't play exactly like Melee doesn't make it bad.


Also, you just admitted to not playing the game so I dunno what you're even talking about.
 
Tony at Home

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Pan1cMode said:
Yeah.... That's what we call bias.

"Injustice sucks because it doesn't have a block button like MK".

Just because it doesn't play like Melee doesn't make it bad.
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It's bias to say Injustice sucks because it doesn't have a block button.
It's NOT bias to say Injustice doesn't have a block button. That's just a fact.

You can say it doesn't suck because it doesn't have enough hitstun. You can call that bias.

But you can't argue that the game's hitstun isn't substantially low in a way that extremely limits combo opportunities. That's not a bias, only your conclusion from that fact is.

There are characters who are exceptions to this rule, but that's just the problem, they're EXCEPTIONS, and competitively the game will become limited to them. The best characters in Brawl where the ones who could sustain offence past just a single hit- they were the exceptions. So it isn't surprising to me that Roselina is going to be good, she's an exception.
 
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LtLuthor said:
It's bias to say Injustice sucks because it doesn't have a block button.
It's NOT bias to say Injustice doesn't have a block button. That's just a fact.

You can say it doesn't suck because it doesn't have enough hitstun. You can call that bias.

But you can't argue that the game's hitstun isn't substantially low in a way that extremely limits combo opportunities. That's not a bias, only your conclusion from that fact is.

There are characters who are exceptions to this rule, but that's just the problem, they're EXCEPTIONS, and competitively the game will become limited to them. The best characters in Brawl where the ones who could sustain offence past just a single hit- they were the exceptions. So it isn't surprising to me that Roselina is going to be good, she's an exception.
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Mario, Luigi, Dr Mario, Sheik, King DeDeDe, ZSS, Wii Fit Trainer, Donkey Kong, Pac Man, Pikachu, Kirby, Marth, Lucina, Yoshi, Rosalina and Luma, Ness, Sonic, Peach, Captain Falcon, Fox, Lucario, Link, Toon Link, Little Mac, Jigglypuff... 'exceptions'.

Don't talk about a game you've never played. Saying Smash 4 has no hit stun is like saying Injustice doesn't have blocking.
 
Tony at Home

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Pan1cMode said:
Mario, Luigi, Dr Mario, Sheik, King DeDeDe, ZSS, Wii Fit Trainer, Donkey Kong, Pac Man, Pikachu, Kirby, Marth, Lucina, Yoshi, Rosalina and Luma, Ness, Sonic, Peach, Captain Falcon, Fox, Lucario, Link, Toon Link, Little Mac, Jigglypuff... 'exceptions'.

Don't talk about a game you've never played. Saying Smash 4 has no hit stun is like saying Injustice doesn't have blocking.
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I HAVE played the game. Where the hell did I say I haven't? I'm maining Roselina because I tried her on my sister's 3DS, and it feels like she actually has some offence.

Mario is not an exception. The combos with Mario hardly work at higher percents- once you get into the 40's pretty much nothing with correct use of vectoring. I know that because I've tried them out.

Haven't tried out the other characters, but from your inclusion of Mario I'm guessing they're also cases where they get very few combos, only at lower percents, and only if the opponent doesn't know how to use vectoring to get out of them.

*EDIT* and don't include combos against heavy characters that can be juggled by anything. Every "combo" video I've seen uses someone like Link to juggle, which is the equivalent of "this combo only works on Sheva/character that won't be used competitively anyway
 
LEGEND

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i mean, coming for Melee or PM, the hitstun in this game is extremely small. While alot of character do have "combos". Most of them aren't more than 2-3 hits and dont really lead to much

thats said, i dont hold it against the game. Its just different
 
Tony at Home

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Mario can up-tilt Link to juggle him until 40%... SOOO MANY COMBOS

But really, I'm not hating on the game, just saying it's not as competitive as Melee and Project M. Is that really so controversial to say?? It's pretty much accepted that while you can play Brawl competitively, it's just not on the level of Melee or Project M. It's weird people have to try to call me out if I simply apply the same thing to the new game- when it clearly doesn't have the technicality Melee or Project M has.
 
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