Harley should be on my D and fuck Hawkgirl she IS a B.
Idk, i've played against zatanna a countless amount of times and i think she's truly underrated. Her zoning is strong and she has some wonky mixups that keep you guessing on what type of mixup she might do. Her divekick can be pretty good against characters wity bad air normals.Her obvious weakness is in the range of her normals, but even then st 3 and cards arent that bad in that department. i could definitely see her in C tier but i dont think it would be wrong to put her in B tier
No. is a great reason why she's not complete trash.
Your opinion might be a little biased because that matchup is annoying as fuck for Sinestro. (Still not 6-4, 5-5 for sure just really annoying)
Well then what are your reasons for thinking she sucks?
What makes you say 5-5? I've always thought it's 6-4 Z
I've been playing the same people for months and months who still are getting hit with the same gimmicks and the same vortex options. Amount of time played against does not equal the amount of time studied.
Oh boy.....
He out-footsies her badly. I mean she has her gimmicks and vortex but so does sinestro. Not to mention we ALWAYS have meter and she has to spend it to get her game started; we don't spend meter for anything until we put her in the corner(other than lemons/boulders/MB B3s). Once sinestro has trait it's also pretty bad for Zatanna but that's the case with pretty much everyone.
Well of course people are going to be hit with a vortex since a vortex is a guess. The real test would be if they're recognizing what sort vortex you're doing and their blocking options. I hit people with the same standing vortex and oki setups all the time with sinestro. Does that mean that who im fighting is unfamiliar with sinestro? No
You misunderstand. I hit people with the same option for the vortex about 90% of the time because they just don't know better. If you only did cross-up j3 from Sinestro's vortex and your opponent hardly ever blocks it after months of seeing the setup then there is something wrong with their understanding of the setup.
For zoning, they are mediocre. For anti-zoning and whiff punishing, they are almost better than everything except special moves like Martian Manhunter's overhead teleport and Aquaman's From The Deep. In fact, low gunshots in many ways are a poor man's version of Aquaman's FTD.
Wonder Woman is similar to The Flash. She is a well-rounded character with a couple of weaknesses. She does not dominate anybody, but nobody dominates her either. Aside from Zod of course, I would say that she is the most balanced top tier character. The corner game is cheap, though.
Nope.
Her zoning is better than sinestro's. Yeah we out footsie her, but whats the point if we cant get in. Getting our trait out is obviously a plus, but getting it out can be very difficult. To get rid of her trait we have to make a trade that isn't in our favor damage-wise. On a read teleport blows up any attempt to counterzone. Unless we get her into the corner or into the vortex, any knockdown leads to more Z zoning unless we make an unsafe read. Of course, we have our typical Sin bs, and once we get her into the corner her life is hell, but her zoning is strong. It's strong enough to keep us out of b12 range, which leaves us at a disadvantage because her zoning/counterzoning is better than ours.
Her shit neutral, normals, and walk speed. Her gimmicks are also bad when figured out, and pretty much everything is punishable. Her TRex arms, and fuzzy guard able unsafe mix ups don't help her case, and she gets bodied by the top tiers.
Every tier list that comes out, has some one say it is the most accurate tier list they have seen.
GL loses to Sinestro, Bane, Zod, Cyborg, Zatanna, MMH, flash, Wonder Woman, and maybe more
