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its been 17 months. lets solidify a top 5

OG Mannimal

OG Mannimal

OG "OG Mannimal" Mannimal
Blind_Ducky said:
Hawkgirl IS the only character he used at evo.

Edit: derp. Scratch that, only character he used to get top 8*
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Yeah I was only going off of what we actually got to see at Evo on stream

Bad assumption to make but I'm pretty sure it holds true for other tournaments than Evo, leading up to top 8 I mean
 
rev0lver

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
The character you get into top 8 with means less than the matchups you play against though. I don't know what matchups they each specifically played but I could see them as being equally skilled regardless of placement. Either way, if you're saying that PPJ is the better player, then that gives less credit to the case of Hawkgirl beating Flash if Honeybee can go even with him. That was the point he's making, that he doesn't think he's just that much better than him that he can do that in a supposedly losing matchup.
 
Blind_Ducky

Blind_Ducky

Princess of the Sisterhood
rev0lver said:
The character you get into top 8 with means less than the matchups you play against though. I don't know what matchups they each specifically played but I could see them as being equally skilled regardless of placement. Either way, if you're saying that PPJ is the better player, then that gives less credit to the case of Hawkgirl beating Flash if Honeybee can go even with him. That was the point he's making, that he doesn't think he's just that much better than him that he can do that in a supposedly losing matchup.
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They played one set. One set doesn't determine a match up.
 
rev0lver

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
GGA 16 Bit said:
if we're just going on results then he clearly has a losing match up...Catwoman.
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My point is that Honeybee believes it's an even matchup and hasn't been shown otherwise yet. If he can explain why it's even, and has experience with top players of it being even, then he has a solid case. There's a lot of matchups that get skewed by results lol. I just think you need more than just theory or just a tournament match.

I'm not saying it's definitive either, but he has a good case. It needs to be played out more though.
 
Youphemism

Youphemism

Gunslinger since pre patch (sh/out to The Farmer)
rev0lver said:
Even if Flash does lose to Aquaman and Hawkgirl I don't see that as putting him outside a serious top 5 conversation. I don't see how you can say Sinestro, who has at the very least 2-3 losing matchups with one being pretty solidly bad, is better than him.
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Because here on TYM, having a meterless vortex automatically makes your character amazing ;)
 
16 Bit

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
Elder God
NetherRealm Studios
rev0lver said:
My point is that Honeybee believes it's an even matchup and hasn't been shown otherwise yet. If he can explain why it's even, and has experience with top players of it being even, then he has a solid case. There's a lot of matchups that get skewed by results lol. I just think you need more than just theory or just a tournament match.

I'm not saying it's definitive either, but he has a good case. It needs to be played out more though.
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His perspective makes sense. I'm just responding to this concept that we should only go by what the Flash players say.
 
YOMI MITYEAP

YOMI MITYEAP

Master
Youphemism said:
Because here on TYM, having a meterless vortex automatically makes your character amazing ;)
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I mean a vortex is like the best thing to possess in a fighting game (especially safe ones). No one wants to have to guess versus a character, that crap sucks :p.
P.S. If scorpion had a safe vortex in mk9........... I dnt even need to go further about that lol.
 
rev0lver

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
Blind_Ducky said:
I'd argue theory fighting is > some old set from months ago.
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Why? Theory fighting only ends up in bills half the time lol. There's theory fighting from both sides, and Honeybee has something to show why he might be right. So he's not definitely right, but has a good case that's not any weaker than the other.

What I'm saying is that you need the theory to back up the results of a set or tournament match. I don't think one is strong enough without the other.
 
Relaxedstate

Relaxedstate

PTH|RM Relaxedstate
Is Flash being top 5 seriously pending on whether HG beat him 4-6 or goes 5-5 with him? Seriously? lol. What does it matter

Zod has 1-3 bad MUs depending on the stage (And a possible 3-7). Similarly, Flash has 0-2 bad MUs and no 3-7s. Zod is definitely top 5, so why wouldn't Flash be?

AM, MMH, and BG probably have no bad MUs, so they are definitively set top characters. (#1-3)

#4 and #5 will undoubtably have bad MUs.

Zod earns his spot despite the bad MUs because he annihilates many characters 7-3 and 8-2 and trait is OP as hell (this might even make him top3 despite the bad MUs).

Flash earns his spot because he has the tools and high burst damage to keep him competitive in all MUs at all points of the match (and he probably has no losing MUs).
 
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