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no way KF beats Zatanna, its a solid 5-5 in my opinion-- levitate can full punish slide and hover over her ground ice, plus zatanna has the better vortex
no way KF beats Zatanna, its a solid 5-5 in my opinion-- levitate can full punish slide and hover over her ground ice, plus zatanna has the better vortex
It's generally agreed on that it's 6-4, levitate punishing slide doesn't really mean anything when she can just jump back anyway. The problem is that KF's zoning generally beats Zat's because it's faster, and she can reversal punish trance with iceberg. I'm not sure I agree that Zat vortex is better. Most of Zat's options are punishable on block, whilst KF's aren't.
when your comp is Ray riazy and my comp is the guy who knows the Raven mu better than anyone who plays the game, yeah I'm going to dismiss your input.
Well I have played glass sword numerous times so I believe that experience may meet your standards. I know cowboy is a good player but I don't think his arrow would be a good reference for the match up. If his alts do better against you than people who main the character doesn't that make your competition somewhat questionable?
So theo is a questionable aquaman player? Smarr is a questionable Adam?(that's actually true @AK Smarrgasm ) noobe is a questionable doomsday? Slayer is a questionable superman?
You already explained why that's not a good reference. No there is not.
Lol you said cowboys alts do better than people who main the character. Does cowboys alts do better than those players? I wouldn't think so.
Thanks for pointing out what I explained before answering the question.
Wait a sec... you're naming players from all over america. Are you just naming players you played online or do you consistently play them all locally?
Yeah his alts do better than the players I listed. Reason why, cowboy knows the match up far more than those players. Which is why I base my mus off him instead of them.
No I'm basing this off when I've played them offline.
So do you think if those players played you more and learned the match up better they would probably out preform cowboys alts?
I don't know, probably. That's not relevant to what I'm talking about. My point is that cowboy is great match up exp no matter who he uses. Arrow gets raped by Raven 7-3.
The reason why I think it's relevant is because those guys main those characters and know them better than cowboy does. I think that's reasonable to assume. If they actually learned the match up they would probably recognize things that Cowboy doesn't know which could influence the match up numbers.
Problem is, you're wrong about cowboy. He uses all the tools with the characters he picks up. He knows what he's doing. There's a reason he's a top 10, top 5 inj player. The reason you don't see her limiting options is because you haven't experienced it. @Cossner what options are not being limited by Raven?
Eh, who agrees on 6-4 KF? KF's zoning isn't that much better than Zatanna's and it's definitely not better when Zatanna has meter. On top of that, Zatanna has pretty decent air control so she doesn't have to zone all to much. She can just levitate teleport backwards until she gets the meter she needs for MB rings, MB teleport, etc. Then you got the dumb hitbox on Zatanna's j3 which is hard for KF to AA.
Lol take it easy... I'm not trying to out piss you at all. I know your word is worth more because I'm a nobody to most people on this site. Popularity = respect here. I just wish I had more than what you say and 1 video to see how it plays out between you guys.
He actually believed me when I jokingly said arrow might beat Raven. That's how bad Ray riazy is for Raven exp.
That's pretty mean. I don't like intentionally misleading other players. I remember him not liking the match but if he hears that from a reputable Raven player such as yourself I can see why he would believe you. Maybe he figured as a Raven player you knew something that he didn't.
6-4 has been the number that I've seen around the numbers.
