WW3 Imminent, or are we already there?

[coolwhip]

NATO are deploying troops to Poland, over 1.5 thousand. Thats right next to the Ukraine.
Russia are mobilizing troops on their boarders next to Ukraine.

All it'll take is for them to clash and it'll happen I think.

Also, no country in the UN has said that they'll take any action over what happened with flight MH17. Obama has kept pretty quiet over it too, anything he says has potential to make things worse really, he's kinda damned if he does damned if he dont.

Sounds more like Cold War II than World War III.

 

[xQUANTUMx]

WW2 was a collective effort. Britain did not beg, this is a common misconception. The british were at a stalemate with Germany during this time, both were bombing the shit out of each other. Hitler was targeting the US regardless of whether britain begged or not (U-boats, etc). The US played a historically significant part, of that there is no denying. But they would have been stopped and annihilated at Juno beach were it not for allies taking other strategic locations and for the resistance on the ground providing critical intel, often at the cost of their lives and their families' lives in order for the troops to get a foothold. You should not gloat about the European Theater as much as you think you should. Patton was nothing without help from others and you certainly would NOT have won anything without the help of the russians. Again, a collective effort. On your own you did not do so well in Korea and Vietnam.

More mention goes to your struggles at Guadalcanal and Iwo Jima. That was largely (but again, not completely) a war of attrition between the Japanese and the Americans.

Inb4 "Teh Atomz Bombz" .


All of this has less to do with current events now. It's not necessarily a "US vs everyone" situation anymore. Unfortunately, it's not so black and white as it was in the 40's and 50's. Most countries are somehow now interlinked in almost everything. It becomes a question of the haves versus the have nots and this will always cause conflict. Be it, money, resources such as oil or even in some cases drinking water, famine and religion.

that being said, I'm not a fan of politics, this was just my piece on the matter.

 

[Big Pampering]

US should just stop budging in on other countries affairs.

THANK YOU

 

[Peckapowa]

LMAO you literally just insulted half the people on this site.

wrong noone belieives they are that way, if i told you 90% of people of people have x and x you would think you are 10%. plus this site isn't a stand population size, it has smart epople who like frame datas

 

[Big Pampering]

Sounds more like Cold War II than World War III.

It depends how you see it. Nowadays stuff get covered up like it never happened. Imo some real fucked up shit has to happen for a full-scale wordwar to happen.

Muslim countries got painted out to be the bad guy like hard by the US. The stuff the jews do in the war get covered up and sugarcoated by the US and the Arabs are pictured like the bad guy.

 

[Peckapowa]

THANK YOU

yeah its not like we have tons of resource interest we need to protect... or perhaps we have threatening intel... i dunno theirs a lot of factors there just to say "stop budging in affairs entirely," i mean i am sure we have done tons of harm and tons of unstable motives but i mean i feel its complicated enough not to deliver it an ultimatum you know???

 

[Big Pampering]

yeah its not like we have tons of resource interest we need to protect... or perhaps we have threatening intel... i dunno theirs a lot of factors there just to say "stop budging in affairs entirely," i mean i am sure we have done tons of harm and tons of unstable motives but i mean i feel its complicated enough not to deliver it an ultimatum you know???

There is a difference .Meddling with affairs that don't have anything to do with your country is not something you should do. The US does this more than all the other countries.

 

[RiBBz22]

If is 'Murica's fault then isn't it ultimately really the fault of the British for being total pricks to the point where the people sent to the 13 colonies started a revolution to succeed against them?

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

As a person who faught in two wars for America as a Marine and dedicated his life to public service, the isolation mentality pisses me off to no end.

Only complete close minded individuals who have never seen the travasties the world has to offer would spew some garbage such as "Everything is America's fault" or "America should just stay out of everyone's shit."

Seriously...just fucking retarded....

Edit: Also you do realize that the first two WWs had nothing to do with the US and we were either dragged into the war by unprovoked aggression (Pear Harbor) or we were BEGGED by Britan to help (Germany had all but destoyed Britan and the American "Dough Boys" saved the day)? Also lets noy get into the fact that America is the sole reason that BOTH WWs were won....

Pearl harbour wasn't unprovoked, I cat remember exactly what the document was called that pushed Japan into doing it, but it had 8 main points to it.

On top of that, Britain was aided by the USA, not saved. We would've still won the war, just with alot more deaths on our side, and the Russians. In both WW1 and WW2 Americans turn up late and then props fish for it after all the groundwork was already done.

 

[Chakk dizzle]

WW2 was a collective effort. Britain did not beg, this is a common misconception. The british were at a stalemate with Germany during this time, both were bombing the shit out of each other. Hitler was targeting the US regardless of whether britain begged or not (U-boats, etc). The US played a historically significant part, of that there is no denying. But they would have been stopped and annihilated at Juno beach were it not for allies taking other strategic locations and for the resistance on the ground providing critical intel, often at the cost of their lives and their families' lives in order for the troops to get a foothold. You should not gloat about the European Theater as much as you think you should. Patton was nothing without help from others and you certainly would NOT have won anything without the help of the russians. Again, a collective effort. On your own you did not do so well in Korea and Vietnam.

More mention goes to your struggles at Guadalcanal and Iwo Jima. That was largely (but again, not completely) a war of attrition between the Japanese and the Americans.

Inb4 "Teh Atomz Bombz" .


All of this has less to do with current events now. It's not necessarily a "US vs everyone" situation anymore. Unfortunately, it's not so black and white as it was in the 40's and 50's. Most countries are somehow now interlinked in almost everything. It becomes a question of the haves versus the have nots and this will always cause conflict. Be it, money, resources such as oil or even in some cases drinking water, famine and religion.

that being said, I'm not a fan of politics, this was just my piece on the matter.

British defense post above

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

People act like conflict in the middle east is a new thing ... this has been going on for thousands of years. The constant battle and conflict for the holy land will always happen forever ... or until extermination.

It's not just in the Middle East anymore, it's now in Eastern Europe with NATO mobilising troops in Poland next to the Ukraine and Russia mobilising troops on their own boarder next to the Ukraine. Both ready for exercise in the Ukraine.

Things going on lately have similarities to before both of the other world wars. Like hitler walking right into the demilitarised Sudetenland and nothing happening about it (see Crimea), the arms race.

And I'm not anti America or anti Russian. But war had always ultimately worked for the USA hasn't it? I mean the UK have only recently finished paying off our debt to them for ww2 right?

Aren't the 3 biggest industries in the world drugs, pharmaceuticals and war, or something along those lines? And we all know the USA isn't exactly standout when it comes to medicine.

Well whatever I just think its interesting to hear other opinions. I like all the theory shit ATM.

 

[Wigy]

The reason we wont have WW3

Nukes

Also, israel is the greatest world evil. It is backed by the american government.

UK government i doubt are innocent in any of the gaza conflict, which is why i want independence for scotland, we get dragged into wars and have no say in important things. All decided by fucking idiots down in london with only english interests in mind

 

[A F0xy Grampa]

The reason we wont have WW3

Nukes

Also, israel is the greatest world evil. It is backed by the american government.

UK government i doubt are innocent in any of the gaza conflict, which is why i want independence for scotland, we get dragged into wars and have no say in important things. All decided by fucking idiots down in london with only english interests in mind

Humans are naturally warring creatures, why wouldn't we destroy ourselves?

If Russia and USA get into a direct conflict shit could hit the fan, but they'd need a reason, and last night it was revealed that Russia are doing nuclear tests against a 1987 treaty signed by Regan, and Obama is calling them out on it.

And geographically speaking, neither WW1 or WW2 were actually faught globally, but purely because it involved all world superpowers you could count it as a world war.

Look what the superpowers are doing at the moment.

 

[Zoidberg747]

It depends how you see it. Nowadays stuff get covered up like it never happened. Imo some real fucked up shit has to happen for a full-scale wordwar to happen.

Muslim countries got painted out to be the bad guy like hard by the US. The stuff the jews do in the war get covered up and sugarcoated by the US and the Arabs are pictured like the bad guy.

Except Obama and Kerry have both begged Israel for a ceasefire and denounced the Israeli war effort. Don't assume Fox News speaks for everyone.

 

[Rickyraws]

World War 3, Cold War 2, Summer Jam: Now with Nukes

Whatever fits the description, logically full scale conflict seems inevitable. When you consider the events that have passed, the events long past, and the shocking accuracy of the effects of human nature, some form of global conflict seems imminent. Whether or not it is WW3 depends simply on those involved, as if we're going by damaged caused we're just about there already for the past few years.

It's easy to say "Stop stealing people's land" "Stop invading territory that doesn't belong to you" "Stop spending what you can't afford" "Stop spying on your 'friends' " "Stop threatening people with nukes" "Stop shooting down planes" "Stop slaughtering the innocent" but you and I both know our nature does not beget common sense. Common sense in the sense of the word is ironic. As are the events we see unfold before us. There's always just enough obscured from the surface to keep us reasonably ignorant, as we don't always know the full story and are plagued with understandable bias( disingenuous media depiction doesn't help either)

The world is literally acting like the comments section on the internet. And while it's sometimes hilarious, we all die a little inside. Only now it could very well be the outside.

 

[Big Pampering]

Except Obama and Kerry have both begged Israel for a ceasefire and denounced the Israeli war effort. Don't assume Fox News speaks for everyone.

Don't assume I base my opinion off of fox news. My opinion isn't just based on the US news

 

[Big Pampering]

Pearl harbour wasn't unprovoked, I cat remember exactly what the document was called that pushed Japan into doing it, but it had 8 main points to it.

On top of that, Britain was aided by the USA, not saved. We would've still won the war, just with alot more deaths on our side, and the Russians. In both WW1 and WW2 Americans turn up late and then props fish for it after all the groundwork was already done.

you know we really should have known better than to discuss this on an american website.

 

[Prinz]

On the other side of the globe a country is trying to solve its OWN problems, by its OWN means, within its OWN borders. Why should anyone outside of them get involved? It's like a stranger would try to solve your family problems by getting into your house and citing his unasked resolution.
Did you guys know that Ukraine has the biggest reserves of underground shale gas in Europe? Not sure how it would be compared to USA's reserves, but imagine if Russia had control over Europe's natural gas and shale gas resources. That's why USA is there...

 

[RNLDRGN]

the mid east has been at it for the past thousand years. It just seems like it's getting a little worse in the past few months.

FTFY

 

[Braindead]

Is it a coincidence that I just saw this image while this thread was open in another tab? I think not.

 

[Wigy]

Humans are naturally warring creatures, why wouldn't we destroy ourselves?

If Russia and USA get into a direct conflict shit could hit the fan, but they'd need a reason, and last night it was revealed that Russia are doing nuclear tests against a 1987 treaty signed by Regan, and Obama is calling them out on it.

And geographically speaking, neither WW1 or WW2 were actually faught globally, but purely because it involved all world superpowers you could count it as a world war.

Look what the superpowers are doing at the moment.

The omnipresence of nuclear warfare means countries are at a permanent stalemate.

In WW1 and WW2 things were different, there was huge casualties but there is unavoidable complete destruction if we get into a fight with nukes involved. It completely levels the playing field in terms of manpower, because the UK has the trident nuclear submarines we are, despite having a smaller population a huge military world power.

 

[JLG]

And I'm not anti America or anti Russian.

Do I really need to quote your own post to show how contradictory you've been?

But realisticly, if we do all fall into shit and WW3 does happen, ultimately it'll be the USAs fault. They've done pretty well to make themselves look like the good guy, but they've caused a vast amount of problems.

So everybody else is damned because of Murika.

You mentioned earlier the two big hot spots in the world right now- Ukraine and Israel. USA military forces might or might not come into conflict against Russia, but the start of that whole mess originated with Russia's interference in Ukrainian politics and the annexation of Ukrainian land. As for Israel, yes, USA has traditionally supported their ally through financial support and joint-intelligence. That shouldn't be shocking news to anyone when, again, these are two nations closely allied to each other. Regardless, the USA did not originate that problem either. That land dispute goes back generations, long before USA even existed.

So, please, tell us all again how you are not anti-American, especially when you can't even have the decency to avoid using the derogatory title of "Murika."

 

[Skkra]

I don't think we're quite at WW3... the current situation is more like Shit Show 3. Maybe we can call is SS3 instead? It's just a bunch of complete bullshit going on all over the world because human being are a garbage species who cannot manage to get along despite superior intelligence. Someone always has to be a dick. Regardless, it's only SS3 because none of the true power players have yet done anything that is truly line-crossing. It's all currently just children testing limits and seeing what they can get away with.

I don't think that Obama has handled much of this well... he often runs his mouth but takes no action... I guess not much different than Bush taking action but not thinking it through enough. Still two bad strategies imo. (And yes, I understand that these men are not singularly responsible for these huge decisions, but I'm speaking about the presidents as the rep of their entire administration.)

The USA has been in a horrible position for a long time now. We should be concentrating our efforts inward, since this country is in abysmal fiscal shape - too much more of this, and we won't be able to help ourselves, much less the rest of the world. At the same time, we get the worst of both worlds: if we step in and it doesn't go perfectly, we get oh, the USA, always interfering and if we don't do anything, we get jeez, why haven't they done anything to help?

 

[Vagrant]

TYM can't even talk about E cigs without freaking the fuck out.

There's no way anything good is coming from this thread, lol.

Interesting topic though.

 

[legion666]

Do I really need to quote your own post to show how contradictory you've been?



You mentioned earlier the two big hot spots in the world right now- Ukraine and Israel. USA military forces might or might not come into conflict against Russia, but the start of that whole mess originated with Russia's interference in Ukrainian politics and the annexation of Ukrainian land. As for Israel, yes, USA has traditionally supported their ally through financial support and joint-intelligence. That shouldn't be shocking news to anyone when, again, these are two nations closely allied to each other. Regardless, the USA did not originate that problem either. That land dispute goes back generations, long before USA even existed.

So, please, tell us all again how you are not anti-American, especially when you can't even have the decency to avoid using the derogatory title of "Murika."

I live in Russia and I have relatives in Ukraine ,thanks to internet I can hear the news people are fed in US and compare them to the ones fed to Russians. They are completely different. For example no one in States mentions that the whole Ukrainian situation started with outside "western" sponsorship of radical groups within Ukraine. And I personally know a lot of people from Crimea, who are more Russian then Ukrainian and when the actions of anti-Russian radicals started to threaten their safety were all for Russia to step in. At the same time Russians never talk about Crimean local government figures being in close contact with Russia or other bullshit they feed people here.

You don't see the point: blaming one nation or another is pointless and stupid. The Governing structures of these countries are the ones who have a lot to gain from military conflicts, while idiots from both nations will scream at each other or even go to war to kill each other to "protect" their nation !!!!Our governments is what our people need to be protected from!