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Video/Tutorial Joker's Basic Battle Plan by Ice King

RelentlessOhio

Divekick x 1000
Yeah... no. If you're gonna make a guide, you make sure you understand the character and the mechanics of the game, otherwise you're just spreading misinformation.

Steve made a huge ass guide that is way more indepth and comprehensive than this thing.

What if someone new comes here, would you rather teach him the fundamentals of the game so he understands what he's doing and why is he doing it, or literally just some day 1 combos and setups that don't work in a real match?
Yeah these BS combo videos work if your opponent is sleeping and standing still. Good luck.

And Joker will be insta- dropped by any half wit player once they find out he's getting stuffed left and right. Sorry to be blunt, maybe this can work on the CPU on easy. You'll get bodied easy by basically every other character minus a couple against any good player.

Why not make a couple fundamental/basic tech videos for more viable characters? Hell or even mid-tier. I mean if you enjoy doing this great, but no one is gonna be convinced that Joker all of sudden is not terrible because he can do a few petty damage combos. If you wanna get online and wait for that half-alert player to try it on, go for it. But you aren't getting much in an offline match.

Just being honest. Most people aren't on here because they are looking how to beat the computer on hard. Statistics don't lie. If Joker was even remotely viable, you'd see him more than once or twice in the entire history of Injustice majors.

I mean this is basically a combo exhibition. But good luck getting them off on someone. Hell I thought Joker was just there to fill a blank slot, I thought all he could do was kick spray paint cans at your ankles.
 

oNe87_Kentucky

Hunter, Not hunted.
RelentlessOhio said:
Yeah these BS combo videos work if your opponent is sleeping and standing still. Good luck.

And Joker will be insta- dropped by any half wit player once they find out he's getting stuffed left and right. Sorry to be blunt, maybe this can work on the CPU on easy. You'll get bodied easy by basically every other character minus a couple against any good player.

Why not make a couple fundamental/basic tech videos for more viable characters? Hell or even mid-tier. I mean if you enjoy doing this great, but no one is gonna be convinced that Joker all of sudden is not terrible because he can do a few petty damage combos. If you wanna get online and wait for that half-alert player to try it on, go for it. But you aren't getting much in an offline match.

Just being honest. Most people aren't on here because they are looking how to beat the computer on hard. Statistics don't lie. If Joker was even remotely viable, you'd see him more than once or twice in the entire history of Injustice majors.

I mean this is basically a combo exhibition. But good luck getting them off on someone. Hell I thought Joker was just there to fill a blank slot, I thought all he could do was kick spray paint cans at your ankles.
I agree with 99% of this. I dont think joker is useless garbage, I just feel he isn't played right. Definelty worst in game but if used right... He's not booboo.
 

Fromundaman

I write too much.
Eh, I like the effort, and some interesting set-ups. But a lot of these would be difficult to do at high level play. And he's not just low-tier by a small margin, I mean he's at the bottom of the trash can, even after all the patches. I think I've seen maybe two Joker's total in tournament play.

I really hope they keep MKX in the lab a few more weeks extra to double-check all the characters are balanced as can be so they don't have to patch every week for 3 months. They've got this ridiculous gap between high-tier characters and low.

Kabal to Sheeva, bodied by an indescribable amount.

Manhunter or Aquaman to Joker, same deal.

Gotta be a way to narrow the gap. Just my opinion.
Give it a month. I will change your opinion :joker:



That said he's not top 10. He's not bad, definitely not bottom 5 and hearing people claim he's unviable is laughable, but he's definitely worse than at least 10 characters.


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At OP:

I like the video, but the others are right, it is somewhat basic. For example, at 5:47, you could follow up RLG with D2>teeth for a full teeth juggle which builds more meter, does more damage and allows you to set up dumber resets.

That said, there were some things I either didn't know or forgot, such as at 5:00 where after the 1st flower in that combo you could have done a BGB for a really high damage way which I hadn't thought of to go into the stupid BGB resets.


Also one more plus for the standing reset: Even if they block it, you are + a billion, allowing you to continue your pressure.

After landing a standing reset, you can also get more meter/damage/corner carry if you immediately dash forward then D2>far teeth instead of B3 and go into a teeth juggle from there.

I like your corner standing reset combo. It follows my standard corner combo and I doubt many of the people I play regularly would see it coming if I use it sparingly. I may steal that.



Also I want to thank you; somehow you gave me ideas that had nothing to do with the video.
 

Vengeance135

Saltiest Joker Player
You and @Vengeance135 need to level up how do you guys struggle so much on a mu that is 6-4 joker. You guys can't even outzone me even on life lead or even get me out of the air. Jump3>nws air attacks. Lbsh you two should just retire your jokers
all together, and move to Europe I heard there's Tru3 joker talent over there.
:DOGE
Hype words from a no show at Anaheim. Ohhhhhh shots fired!:joker:
 

Fromundaman

I write too much.
I agree with 99% of this. I dont think joker is useless garbage, I just feel he isn't played right. Definelty worst in game but if used right... He's not booboo.
Isn't played right, I can agree with that.
Worst in the game? Seriously?
You honestly think Joker is worse than:

-Scorpion
-Green Arrow
-Grundy
-CYBORG!
-Ares
-Catwoman
-Lex
-NW


Joker's not top 5 or anything, but to say he's bottom tier? Psh... We really need someone to rep this character at a high level.





Stevos guide has everything we know so far. i havnt seen this vid yet. anything new in it at all?
Everything we know so far?

Not quite... It does have a lot though.



Also I am really liking how much interest I am seeing in Joker lately from people outside the TYM community. This is especially awesome considering most Joker players on here seems to have stopped caring.
There is still a lot to find for this character. I know I am still finding new stuff every time I spend time in training mode.
 

RNLDRGN

RONALD ROGAN
I appreciate the effort here. The editing is solid and the presentation is very nice. However, I find that the intro is way too long, credits are much too spread out, and the combos seem way too basic. This is like--"Hey, I just bought Injustice today, let me watch how to play Joker"--which is fine... but the game has been out for over a year... your target audience is very small at this point.
 

StevoSuprem0

I'm gonna make this skill gap... disappear.
My guide was everything that was known a month or so before I finished editing and actually posted it. There have been some matchup specific things and minor tweaks in some peoples styles since then, but nothing groundbreaking. Kentucky and vengeance claim to have new stuff, but aren't sharing.
This game is more balanced than MK9 was, but that doesn't make it balanced. Some very good players tried to use Joker when the game came out, and sporatically since, and decided it was in their best interest to stick with other characters for tournaments. He's a ton of fun, but very awkward to play, and when people adapt to how he functions and his little tricks, his effectiveness plummets. That's why you see people saying Joker is sick one week and garbage the next. He's neither. He's decent, like many of the lower tier characters in this game, but that doesn't cut it when he is as difficult as he is to use going up against some of the super simple and ridiculously powerful characters in this game.
That's my two cents anyway. Talking about top x vs bottom x is irrelevant; the proof is in the pudding. Really hoping to see some of you start showing everyone what he can do, but you also need to realize what he is realistically capable of in order succeed in doing so. I think it is nearly impossible to do well without using alts for at least a few troublesome matchups, but I commend those trying to walk the hard road regardless.
 

Fromundaman

I write too much.
@Fromundaman I'm having trouble depicting whether your joking or if you have very little experience against/with those characters listed. Especially those last 3.
I'm not talking about matchup against Joker, I am talking about how they stack up against the rest of the cast.

NW is a debatable case.

Joker has no MU even close to as bad as CW vs AM or CW vs Bane. On the flip side, he has more slightly disadvantage MUs than CW does.
If we had a 16-bit calibur player repping Joker, this would be easier to see. 16-bit is so good though that he makes his player look better than she is (Not saying she's bad, but she's nowhere near how good he looks with her).

Lex is actually a character I mained for a long time and still secondary. Lex has some pretty glaring issues that make him a worse character overall than Joker, but again, without a high level player to showcase what Joker can do, this will not be seen. I am more than willing to elaborate if you want.



I am not saying Joker is top tier or anything like that; he's probably still in the bottom half of the cast, but I completely and whole heartedly disagree with him being "unviable" or "Bottom 3".




EDIT:

If you can't see the glaring issues the other characters listed have (Those 3 I just expanded should be the only questionable ones), then I feel you either underestimate your character or overestimate those ones.
 

oNe87_Kentucky

Hunter, Not hunted.
I'm not talking about matchup against Joker, I am talking about how they stack up against the rest of the cast.

NW is a debatable case.

Joker has no MU even close to as bad as CW vs AM or CW vs Bane. On the flip side, he has more slightly disadvantage MUs than CW does.
If we had a 16-bit calibur player repping Joker, this would be easier to see. 16-bit is so good though that he makes his player look better than she is (Not saying she's bad, but she's nowhere near how good he looks with her).

Lex is actually a character I mained for a long time and still secondary. Lex has some pretty glaring issues that make him a worse character overall than Joker, but again, without a high level player to showcase what Joker can do, this will not be seen. I am more than willing to elaborate if you want.



I am not saying Joker is top tier or anything like that; he's probably still in the bottom half of the cast, but I completely and whole heartedly disagree with him being "unviable" or "Bottom 3".




EDIT:

If you can't see the glaring issues the other characters listed have (Those 3 I just expanded should be the only questionable ones), then I feel you either underestimate your character or overestimate those ones.
I can either be a huge dick or I can simply ignore. I'm going to just disappear from this thread now.
 

The PantyChrist

Rest in Pantiez
I think joker vs am and bane may look similar to cw vs am or bane. Teeth help though it is not easy to set them up and they aren't hard to avoid in neutral.

Although I think cw may have slight easier time getting in on zoners than joker does, I wish we had something g like mb cat dash or a b3 like that