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Pan1cMode

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Flash should be much much higher.

At one point I think SM says MMH is the strongest justice league member so there's that too.

For Zatanna, it really depends. If she pre-emptively strikes from across the globe she can take out anyone (she's one of the stronger sorcerers in the DC universe). She's also had fighting training so can hold her own without magic against non-supers.

Ares is technically a god so there's that consideration too.

He can and has beaten Superman, so he should certainly be placed higher.

I just wanna know what it is that people think the others in the cast could do against Doomie. I know he's not the end all, be all of the DC universe, but he's no slouch.
Proper magic should work. Teleport him away/lock him away etc.
 

StevoSuprem0

I'm gonna make this skill gap... disappear.
Martian Manhunter is easily the strongest character both in game and in comics. He essentially has all of Superman's powers on the same level, plus intangibility, telekinesis, and most OP of all, telepathy. He can beat basically the entire cast by just turning their brains off. If you have any doubts, read the JLA arc "Trial by Fire". Then you will learn.
Lobo is also at Superman strength level and due to goofy ass comic canon can't die because he is banned from all forms of afterlife for "causing too much of a ruckus". Superman generally has to beat him by convincing him to leave rather than actually besting him.
Flash is also too low. People that think he is just about speed are mistaken. He is basically untouchable due to superior reaction times and there is a shitload that can be done with the speed force, and has been shown to be immune to telepathy at times by outthinking it both in terms of speed and intelligence.
Doomsday is a chump. The only reason he killed Superman is because no one else strong was around at the time and Superman is a panzy and didn't want to kill him.
Killer Frost is way to high. Go ahead, make your memes with her face cropped in. She is a C-list shitter that is only in this game because they wanted to meet a girl qutoa.

I'm gonna go with this:
1. Martian Manhunter
2. Flash
3. Zod/Superman/Lobo (though Zod is TECHNICALLY stronger)
4. Black Adam/ Shazam (again, Adam is slightly stronger and gives less fucks)
5. Wonder Woman

And the rest is kinda whatever. I'm bored now.

 
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Pan1cMode

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Martian Manhunter is easily the strongest character both in game and in comics. He essentially has all of Superman's powers on the same level, plus intangibility, telekinesis, and most OP of all, telepathy. He can beat basically the entire cast by just turning their brains off. If you have any doubts, read the JLA arc "Trial by Fire". Then you will learn.
Lobo is also at Superman strength level and due to goofy as comic canon can't die because he is banned from all forms of afterlife for "causing too much of a ruckus". Superman generally has to beat him by convincing him to leave rather than actually besting him.
Flash is also too low. People that think he is just about speed are mistaken. He is basically untouchable due to superior reaction times and there is a shitload that can be done with the speed force, and has been shown to be immune to telepathy at times by outthinking it both in terms of speed and intelligence.
Doomsday is a chump. The only reason he killed Superman is because no one else strong was around at the time and Superman is a panzy and didn't want to kill him.
Killer Frost is way to high. Go ahead, make your memes with her face cropped in. She is a C-list shitter than is only in this game because they wanted to meat a girl qutoa.

I'm gonna go with this:
1. Martian Manhunter
2. Zod/Superman/Lobo (though Zod is TECHNICALLY stronger)
3. Black Adam/ Shazam (again, Adam is slightly stronger and gives less fucks)
4. Flash
5. Wonder Woman

And the rest is kinda whatever. I'm bored now.

You're forgetting MMH's very real weakness to fire (as bad as SM and kryptonite)
 
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I don't know this SSJ god, but to be fair if you're taking the "God mode" version of Goku into account, then you have to take Supes' god mode into consideration too.


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Manhunter cannot solo the entire cast. He loses in the Injustice comics to just Supes and WoWo.

That said, Flash can go back in time, so yeah, he can kind of body everyone.
I'm going to assume that you haven't spent time reading comic books as thoroughly as I have. Martian Manhunter could solo most of the cast using telepathy alone. His telepathic feats rank amongst gods. Literally. For those who possess telepathic resistance sufficient enough to combat him in that field, (Ie. Only Doomsday). The strategy of battlefield removal is completely feasible. He possesses every physical attribute of Superman, but can phase through physical attacks and shape shift, to augment his strength into a level of superiority. The only person who could stop him, is Flash, by beating him to a pulp before he can begin to develop a battle stratedgy.
 

StevoSuprem0

I'm gonna make this skill gap... disappear.
You're forgetting MMH's very real weakness to fire (as bad as SM and kryptonite)
Wrong :p. It was actually been redone since Trial by Fire (very important arc for understanding MMH). It's weird, but basically only very specific fire sources (psychic or mystic) can do anything to him. Even then, he is not weak to fire, it's just a fear thing. He can be trapped inside of it or paralyzed with it, but it can't kill him. Superman can literally get butchered by an sadistic 5 year old with a meat cleaver and a hunk of kryptonite.
Since New 52, though, it might be reverted back to all fire, but the fact remains- all it does is make him wet the bed a little.
 

trufenix

bye felicia
you can't do a list like this without setting the rules before hand. You have to say things like, prep time, location, is the character suddenly willing to kill, airspeed velocity of laden swallow, etc. I'l ltryu and take this as cereal as possible.

Flash Tier:
Flash - Tier of his own, depends on which version of speed force bullshit applies. In some he simply cannot be touched, and he could infinite mass punch and infinite number of opponent an infinite number of times before they were even born. In others, he's just fast, but can't even outrun explosions or through well planned strikes.

S Tier:
MMH - If he cut loose, nobody could even touch him, could lobotomize, cripple or even kill a person with a thought, but vulnerable to fire even when "phased" so not Flash tier.
Wonder Woman - Powers that rival / exceed supes, +trained to kill, +willing to kill.
Supes - Stronger than Doomsday, has exploitable weaknesses, tires.
Zod - Previously lost to Superman, relies on weaponry / help that may not be available.
Doomsday - Practically invulnerable, does not tire, but tactically inferior to others. Previously lost to Superman.
Lobo - Czarian's more killable than Doomsday, but not by much. Probably sloppiest of the heavy hitters, has lost to Superman and been outwitted by ordinary humans.

A Tier:
Adam - Killable / Depowerable, but willing to kill and probably has better understanding of powers than Billy (1000+ years of experience, even if most of it was in space).
Shazam - Possibly even with Adam, but he's got a conscience (And the mind of a kid/teenager, depending on the writing)
GL - Only as strong as his will, which would presumably deplete if he tired. Has lost to everyone above.
Sinestro - Same as GL, Hal has been documented to have the greatest will of all the Lanterns tho.
Zatanna - Could be as high as Flash with prep, as high as WW via sneak attack, definitely tops Adam with free reign to speak, but down here in any impromptu engagement against a character fast enough / capable of silencing her.
Aquman - Exceptionally strong but requires help he probably would not have, can neither fly or survive in outer space.

B Tier:
Deathstroke - Goes even with Batman in impromptu contests, seems better at "quick" planning, could probably actually take Killer Frost, Raven and Cyborg because he is also willing (and usually intending) to kill.
Raven - Exceptional abilities, but not as good as anyone above without help / prep, has lost to Deathstroke.
Cyborg - Super strength + intellect + arsenal of ranged weaponry.
Killer Frost - Immediately defeats anyone who relies solely on physical combat.
Batman - Could be as high as flash with prep, otherwise "limited" to exceptional physical combat prowess and willingness not to kill.
Green Arrow - Ranged game makes him more of a threat that anyone below, but lacks batman's tactics and can't take anyone above without the right quiver (prep).
Lex (In a suit) - Could go higher with prep on gear alone, otherwise lacks tactics and physical prowess of everyone above.
Hawk Girl - Should be higher, but has been defeated /outsmarted by everyone above her.
Bane - Cyborg without any range, requires venom, defeated by Batman.

C Tier:
Grundy - Identical to Doomsday, but vulnerable to a ton of stuff everyone above could and probably would have on them.
Joker - Has beaten everyone below, completely unpredictable.
Batgirl - Trained to fight by Batman, better arsenal / smarter than anyone below
Nightwing - Trained to fight by Batman
Catwoman - Actually probably dead even with the wing, but he's a lady killer so she might succumb to that.
Harley - No combat training, no powers, no prep. Vulnerable to Nightwing's charm.
 
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Eldriken

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Doomsday can be "trapped" but not killed.... and he isn't exactly super smart.

Low tier.
Depends if it's his iteration that has sentience or not. However, that wouldn't do him any good as he is able to suffer from fear and the possibility of loss.

I think a lot of these tier placements are entirely too situational and depend on a lot of "what if" scenarios.

Sentient Doomsday = Nothing to worry about if you're like Superman and others comparable to Superman.
Mindless Doomsday = A royal pain in the ass unless he's dealing with someone capable of trapping him.
 
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Don't give me that contingency plan for everything bullshit, in a straight up fight with no prior knowledge everyone and their mother could beat Superman with kryptonite at their disposal; doesn't make 'em stronger than him.
That logic always drives me crazy. Saying Batman doesn't get his "plot armor" is like saying Superman doesn't get his eye lasers or invulnerability. Wanna know why anyone with kryptonite can defeat Superman? Because he's a shittily designed character with no actual skills.
 

Rickyraws

This mean you don't like me?
That logic always drives me crazy. Saying Batman doesn't get his "plot armor" is like saying Superman doesn't get his eye lasers or invulnerability. Wanna know why anyone with kryptonite can defeat Superman? Because he's a shittily designed character with no actual skills.
Plot armor wise, Superman is considered "As strong as he needs to be" meaning that he's pretty much always going to have some bullshit excuse for why he prevails. Take this away and you're left with his abilities and skills, which is what I prioritized in his case. On a consensus list of DC characters, Superman only ranks in the 60s. There's a lot to take into consideration: (plot lines, canon, series, retcons etc.) and as such there will pretty much never be a try definitive list, only one that we can agree on to be close. This is comics: Writers gave Superman "Super Marionetism" as an ability for one issue where it was convenient and they didn't know what they were doing with the character. Batman has the ability to beat a lot of people, but one-size-fits-alling it saying he beats everyone if he has time to plan is a bit disingenuous. That's why you can state your points and opinions about where he's listed. Not to mention Deathstroke beat Batman. So did Bane. If we're doing ipso factos, this will go no where:

Doomsday mauled the living fuck out of Darkseid.
>Darseid considered stronger than Superman.

Is Doomsday stronger than Superman?

Batman outsmarted and 'defeated' Darkseid.
Darkseid will destroy Bane
Bane beat Batman.
Bane>Darkseid?

Of course not.
 

Awkward Sloth

Lamest Harley, still better sloth than Jer
Harley beats Joker "irl" enhanced strength, immunity to toxins/poisons. And she also has the guts to end him.

Joker is still bottom tier
 

Endeavor

I'll live a villain, before I die a hero.
Also, Zod/Doomsday/Superman all work exactly the same way, power wise. They're all Kryptonians.
Yea but at some point superman breaks down this mental barrier in his mind and becomes "The Superman capable of amazing feats" and becomes dumber than a fused, kenshi, kabal, pre-patch superman, and MMH if they were all fused into one character.
 

Endeavor

I'll live a villain, before I die a hero.
Fuck Death Battle, Goku would destroy Superman. That bullshit was nothing but politics. I was very very dismayed after watching that abomination.
The feels, man...
I use to feel that way until they showed why superman would win, to be fair if they destroy the planet Goku is fucked. Honest to god when people use to ask me about it Id say "Goku wrecks superman without thought..." then I saw the death battle and fabricated numbers aside, the fact that superman can literally hold a black hole in his hand, and survive a supernova explosion to the face....yea pretty sure Goku cant tank 15 suns in the face. then there is the face that the infinite mass punch is as strong as a black hole.....supes is broke.
 

Rude

You will serve me in The Netherrealm
I use to feel that way until they showed why superman would win, to be fair if they destroy the planet Goku is fucked. Honest to god when people use to ask me about it Id say "Goku wrecks superman without thought..." then I saw the death battle and fabricated numbers aside, the fact that superman can literally hold a black hole in his hand, and survive a supernova explosion to the face....yea pretty sure Goku cant tank 15 suns in the face. then there is the face that the infinite mass punch is as strong as a black hole.....supes is broke.
How are they fabricated numbers?

They literally showed you the equations they used, and explained why they used them.
 

Rude

You will serve me in The Netherrealm
you can't do a list like this without setting the rules before hand. You have to say things like, prep time, location, is the character suddenly willing to kill, airspeed velocity of laden swallow, etc. I'l ltryu and take this as cereal as possible.

Flash Tier:
Flash - Tier of his own, depends on which version of speed force bullshit applies. In some he simply cannot be touched, and he could infinite mass punch and infinite number of opponent an infinite number of times before they were even born. In others, he's just fast, but can't even outrun explosions or through well planned strikes.

S Tier:
MMH - If he cut loose, nobody could even touch him, could lobotomize, cripple or even kill a person with a thought, but vulnerable to fire even when "phased" so not Flash tier.
Wonder Woman - Powers that rival / exceed supes, +trained to kill, +willing to kill.
Supes - Stronger than Doomsday, has exploitable weaknesses, tires.
Zod - Previously lost to Superman, relies on weaponry / help that may not be available.
Doomsday - Practically invulnerable, does not tire, but tactically inferior to others. Previously lost to Superman.
Lobo - Czarian's more killable than Doomsday, but not by much. Probably sloppiest of the heavy hitters, has lost to Superman and been outwitted by ordinary humans.

A Tier:
Adam - Killable / Depowerable, but willing to kill and probably has better understanding of powers than Billy (1000+ years of experience, even if most of it was in space).
Shazam - Possibly even with Adam, but he's got a conscience (And the mind of a kid/teenager, depending on the writing)
GL - Only as strong as his will, which would presumably deplete if he tired. Has lost to everyone above.
Sinestro - Same as GL, Hal has been documented to have the greatest will of all the Lanterns tho.
Zatanna - Could be as high as Flash with prep, as high as WW via sneak attack, definitely tops Adam with free reign to speak, but down here in any impromptu engagement against a character fast enough / capable of silencing her.
Aquman - Exceptionally strong but requires help he probably would not have, can neither fly or survive in outer space.

B Tier:
Deathstroke - Goes even with Batman in impromptu contests, seems better at "quick" planning, could probably actually take Killer Frost, Raven and Cyborg because he is also willing (and usually intending) to kill.
Raven - Exceptional abilities, but not as good as anyone above without help / prep, has lost to Deathstroke.
Cyborg - Super strength + intellect + arsenal of ranged weaponry.
Killer Frost - Immediately defeats anyone who relies solely on physical combat.
Batman - Could be as high as flash with prep, otherwise "limited" to exceptional physical combat prowess and willingness not to kill.
Green Arrow - Ranged game makes him more of a threat that anyone below, but lacks batman's tactics and can't take anyone above without the right quiver (prep).
Lex (In a suit) - Could go higher with prep on gear alone, otherwise lacks tactics and physical prowess of everyone above.
Hawk Girl - Should be higher, but has been defeated /outsmarted by everyone above her.
Bane - Cyborg without any range, requires venom, defeated by Batman.

C Tier:
Grundy - Identical to Doomsday, but vulnerable to a ton of stuff everyone above could and probably would have on them.
Joker - Has beaten everyone below, completely unpredictable.
Batgirl - Trained to fight by Batman, better arsenal / smarter than anyone below
Nightwing - Trained to fight by Batman
Catwoman - Actually probably dead even with the wing, but he's a lady killer so she might succumb to that.
Harley - No combat training, no powers, no prep. Vulnerable to Nightwing's charm.
I like that in your list, anyone with any kind of moral misgivings about wholesale murdering other people is seen as a weakness.
 

Endeavor

I'll live a villain, before I die a hero.
How are they fabricated numbers?

They literally showed you the equations they used, and explained why they used them.
I'm talking about Goku's stats. I'm not knocking the system with which they used to get the numbers for Goku, since there was not concrete way to get his numbers. But I still say superman wins.