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Match-up Discussion Nightwing Match-Up Discussion (1.06 and on)

Chongo

Chongo

Dead Kings Rise
Labbing up bane now

d1xxdp- cannot be jumped out of or armored, but can be backdashed. If you backdashed, he recovers before you do so you can't 113 to blow up venom. You can armor to punish if he isn't at level 3.
d1xxbp- can be jumped out of, armored out of, and backdashed. Like above, if backdashed he seems to recover a tiny bit before you so you can't use 113. If he hits you with the d1 and commits to the grab, he can be punished.
d1xxrc- Can be armored, jumping back will get you blown up. If you do jump back instant air wingdings you trade (you do 11%, he does 16% and he knocks you down) Forward and neutral jump will avoid charge, can be backdashed and you will be able to block the charge. Cannot armor punish if you backdash.
d1xxvu because why not- can be armored and backdashed, forward, neutral, and back jumps all avoid the uppercut. (D1 pushes you away so it whiffs, try it out in training mode, it's funny looking.)

@Doombawkz what'd I miss

EDIT: This is for Escrima
 
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Doombawkz

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
RM Chongo said:
Labbing up bane now

d1xxdp- cannot be jumped out of or armored, but can be backdashed. If you backdashed, he recovers before you do so you can't 113 to blow up venom. You can armor to punish if he isn't at level 3.
d1xxbp- can be jumped out of, armored out of, and backdashed. Like above, if backdashed he seems to recover a tiny bit before you so you can't use 113. If he hits you with the d1 and commits to the grab, he can be punished.
d1xxrc- Can be armored, jumping back will get you blown up. If you do jump back instant air wingdings you trade (you do 11%, he does 16% and he knocks you down) Forward and neutral jump will avoid charge, can be backdashed and you will be able to block the charge. Cannot armor punish if you backdash.
d1xxvu because why not- can be armored and backdashed, forward, neutral, and back jumps all avoid the uppercut. (D1 pushes you away so it whiffs, try it out in training mode, it's funny looking.)

@Doombawkz what'd I miss

EDIT: This is for Escrima
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Pretty much nothing, just be careful because if you get hit with the d.1, a lot of these will confirm or the options will change greatly. The recovery also isn't too much so if you aren't careful he can bait you out. Its +17 on hit, so if he hits with it and doesn't cancel you have to hold that frame trap. Your best bet against Banes who do lead-ins is to block low and then backdash, and if he is at level 3 block high and backdash.

There is another thing to note, being b.1 has the same frame gap, and b.2 has a frame gap between some things but its only 1 frame usually. Be careful about what you're blocking.
 
C88_Real_Harris

C88_Real_Harris

Mortal
The BG match seems even until she mixes you up with all her resets and vortexes. If you can block the mixups more than 60% of the time then you should be fine. And don't get cornered because you will lose half your life if you get caught with a mb uppercut. I ran this match online with Astronaut a few weeks ago. @BigMilk
 
AK L0rdoftheFLY

AK L0rdoftheFLY

I hatelove this game
BigMilk said:
Can someone post each of he post-slide options for NW vs KF
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Staff:
instant j1 j2
d3<-----------------------------Best option
standing 2...natural delay can be effective if you read a parry
mbf3
Ground pound
block

Escrima:
instant j3, j3 wingdings,
jump over wingdings or j3 wingdings (Catches another slide and catches them off guard very often)
d3<-----------------------------Best option
mbb3
Block
 
macro

macro

Eezeepeezee
Batman matchup vs Nightwing
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Okay so i'm just going to to post everything that i can think of in this matchup.
Escrima
In escrima it can be hard to deal with some things like batmans jumping but like i put in my anti jumping gudie inst air J3 is a great air to air but you do have to call it when he's going to jump at you or you can dash out of the jumping pressure also.
Now it would be best if we talked about the start of the match vs Batman. Batman will almost always start out with a inst air scatter bomb, now you have two
main options out of this. F3 which you can hold to make your hit box move lower to the ground so then you can see if he is going for that move. If he does not do the scatter bombs you can just dash back to get out of his pressure or dash forward to get your own pressure. Your second option is just to block but that's not as bad as it seems because you should be able to react to what your opponent does next. And again if he does inst air scatter bombs you'll have you advantage now.
So let's move to Nightwings pressrue game in the matchup. Nightwings pressure won't be that hard to get off because Batman players will use there back dash into mb batarangs trait or b1. if he does the back dash you can see it and do a delayed JB-wing dings, or if you want to take more of a risk you can do a mb ground pound JF3 or flying grayson. If he goes for a B1 just remember the range of it and the fact that it starts up in 9 frames. And trait you need to be more carefull about but remamber that you can push block out of bats. And if he does stop your pressure with bats and you blocked it jump back 3 is always a great option.
Now it's time for the zoning game how fun. :DOGE
Ok so pretty much it will start out in the favor of who gets the first hit, but it can easily turn to Batmans favor.
Let's say it starts in Nightwings favor and your doing ground sparks batman can jump then go into mb batarang now it's in his favor.
But let's say we call the jump with flying grayson. 1 of 4 things will happen we miss the timing and now were in his face ready to take some pressure.
Batman goes into his flying stance and does 1 out of it and then he goes into a combo.
Batman does a batarang and hits us out of the flying grayson and now were in a super bad spot.
Or we hit the Bat with are Dick and he goes flying across the screen and then are best option is to go back into escrima.
My point is that you don't want to be zoned by this bastard.
I'm hoping i didn't forget something and staff is coming up.
 
C88_Real_Harris

C88_Real_Harris

Mortal
Nightwing Sinestro matchup


I played a fairly long set with Cowboy last night and while I didn’t win many games, I started to learn some things should help NW players in the matchup.


1. Try to stay midscreen or closer at all times- This is the best place to be. Ground spark will go under fear blast and if the ground spark hits, automatically switch to staff and ground pound. He has to repect it.


2. Zone- NW can zone Sinestro at mid screen with ground sparks and staff pound (only if ground sparks hit). If you can get an early life lead then he has to chase you which is a good thing. NW gets zoned out hard at full screen so don’t even attempt to zone while at full screen. It will also limit his opportunities to build trait.


3. Only use staff for zoning and corner pressure- Sorry staff wing players but staff is pretty useless against Sinestro unless you’re using staff pounds after ground sparks on hit or if you have Sinestro cornered.


4. Watch out for b1 3 and the vortex- B1 3 has stupid range and will catch you back dashing or whiffing anything. I’m not sure if the vortex is reactable but I think it’s possible to see the axe come out and block when he jumps over you.


5. Trait- When he does get trait, NW is still able to zone him at midscreen but he is harder to beat at close range with all of the frame traps. Try to corner him and change to staff.


This matchup isn’t even but I think this match it winnable. If you can get the life lead by zoning from midscreen while limiting Sinestro’s trait building, the match is very winnable. Let me know if this is useful.
 
Chuckychuck

Chuckychuck

Warrior
macro said:
Batman matchup vs Nightwing
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Okay so i'm just going to to post everything that i can think of in this matchup.
Escrima
In escrima it can be hard to deal with some things like batmans jumping but like i put in my anti jumping gudie inst air J3 is a great air to air but you do have to call it when he's going to jump at you or you can dash out of the jumping pressure also.
Now it would be best if we talked about the start of the match vs Batman. Batman will almost always start out with a inst air scatter bomb, now you have two
main options out of this. F3 which you can hold to make your hit box move lower to the ground so then you can see if he is going for that move. If he does not do the scatter bombs you can just dash back to get out of his pressure or dash forward to get your own pressure. Your second option is just to block but that's not as bad as it seems because you should be able to react to what your opponent does next. And again if he does inst air scatter bombs you'll have you advantage now.
So let's move to Nightwings pressrue game in the matchup. Nightwings pressure won't be that hard to get off because Batman players will use there back dash into mb batarangs trait or b1. if he does the back dash you can see it and do a delayed JB-wing dings, or if you want to take more of a risk you can do a mb ground pound JF3 or flying grayson. If he goes for a B1 just remember the range of it and the fact that it starts up in 9 frames. And trait you need to be more carefull about but remamber that you can push block out of bats. And if he does stop your pressure with bats and you blocked it jump back 3 is always a great option.
Now it's time for the zoning game how fun. :DOGE
Ok so pretty much it will start out in the favor of who gets the first hit, but it can easily turn to Batmans favor.
Let's say it starts in Nightwings favor and your doing ground sparks batman can jump then go into mb batarang now it's in his favor.
But let's say we call the jump with flying grayson. 1 of 4 things will happen we miss the timing and now were in his face ready to take some pressure.
Batman goes into his flying stance and does 1 out of it and then he goes into a combo.
Batman does a batarang and hits us out of the flying grayson and now were in a super bad spot.
Or we hit the Bat with are Dick and he goes flying across the screen and then are best option is to go back into escrima.
My point is that you don't want to be zoned by this bastard.
I'm hoping i didn't forget something and staff is coming up.
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A very strong opener version Batman is to simply duck.

If he does Sparkle then a b2 will catch him.
If he does a double jump away then a Ground Spark will catch him. This also catches a back dash at the start of a match.
If he jumps at you just walk back and block.
If he dashes to attack you just walk back and block or 113~combo him out of the dash.
If he does b3 you are ducking so nothing happens.

In order to trim down the 5 options to something more simple just duck and either respond to an airborn Batman or walk back. Nothing will hit you if you walk back and you don't see an airborn Batman after the first seconds of a match.
 
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Shaazzyam

Shaazzyam

undefeated online evo champion
Cabronium said:
So how does nightwing do against martian?
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The biggest thing is how NW's zoning is faster than Martian's in staff. Ground pound keeps MMH from throwing shit at you all day, pretty much forcing Martian to come in. Groundpound can interrupt tele startup, too.

Flying Grayson is a good tool to avoid overhead tele and sometimes beats out his regular tele.

Post-overhead teleport NW has good options to check MMH.


Being patient in staff is how you win.
 
Chuckychuck

Chuckychuck

Warrior
Shaazzyam said:
The biggest thing is how NW's zoning is faster than Martian's in staff. Ground pound keeps MMH from throwing shit at you all day, pretty much forcing Martian to come in. Groundpound can interrupt tele startup, too.

Flying Grayson is a good tool to avoid overhead tele and sometimes beats out his regular tele.

Post-overhead teleport NW has good options to check MMH.


Being patient in staff is how you win.
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I like how NW sucks for a full year and then when the Injustice cast cries for MMH nerfs Nightwing is just there chilling out in the shade enjoying some Ice Tea
 
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