Indecisive
We'll burn you all—that is your fate!
There was a Question in the Comics as well though. At the end of the day she died. Peter Failed to Save her. Whether he Killed her not isnt that big of a deal because she would have died either way.
There was a Question in the Comics as well though. At the end of the day she died. Peter Failed to Save her. Whether he Killed her not isnt that big of a deal because she would have died either way.
The movie is pretty clean cut on the subject too, I'm not sure where the question is. There's an audible obvious snap at the impact of the web and she immediately goes limp. Similarly, I don't think the comic ever illustrated that Stacy would've survived if he had let her fall, Goblin even says she was fucked either way.Nah, no question.
She hits nothing, Spider-man snaps her neck because he quickly stops her momentum.
Here he causes her death and it weighs on him forcing him to think more about how he uses his powers and, in turn, become a better hero. In the movie he couldn't prevent her death which may lead to him simply going a bit faster or something to become better. With the comic death he learns a lesson, with the movie death he just wasn't quick enough. It's harder for him to blame himself when there was literally NOTHING he could do to save her opposed to if he did X then she wouldn't have died.
Edit: BTW, it is a big deal.
The movie death is more of a "I did EVERYTHING I could, it just wasn't enough". It absolves him of any wrong doing on his part especially since Gwen pushed herself into the conflict between Peter/Electro so it's much easier for him to forgive himself. It's a "my fault" vs. "my powers aren't enough" and, again, I don't think it's the same lesson.For example, in a 2003 issue of Peter Parker: Spider-Man, Pete calls Gwen’s death “my fault,” recalling that his “webbing was never designed to stop anyone but me from falling. And the resultant jarring snapped her neck.” In a 2006 comic, Iron Man muses that “If [Peter]’d been properly trained, maybe he could have broken her fall without breaking her neck.”
But on a happier note, the whole incident taught Peter Parker an important lesson about physics and anatomy! In a few comics published in the past decade, Spidey has saved falling friends by making extra-sure to minimize whiplash.
To wit: In Mark Millar’s Marvel Knights Spider-Man #12 (published in 2005), Green Goblin tries to re-create Gwen’s bridge death with Mary Jane, but – ever the scientist – Peter knows how to avoid his prior error. “The SINGLE STRAND is what snapped Gwen’s neck. Just not enough support,” he thinks. “Just make it work this time. Hit every major joint.” Mary Jane is safely pulled up like a marionette, all of her joints stabilized and therefore unable to snap. In last month’s Superior Spider-Man #31, Peter snags a falling lady and thinks, “Practiced this a thousand times. Where to latch on to someone… how much counter-force to use reeling them in.”
Panel from "Marvel Knights Spider-Man #12" (art by Terry Dodson)
I think you are kind of just nitpicking here tbh. Do you really think Peter would feel THAT much less guilty over everything that happened? Peter isn't one to discern the difference between my powers aren't enough, and I wasn't enough because to him there isn't that much of a difference. He is the reason Harry became the way he was in the movie in a way, so if he would've just tried to help in the first place the situation wouldn't have came to be what it was in the end. I'm not saying you don't bring up a decent point, but in the eyes of Peter I think he doesn't discern the difference because of the type of person he is in the story.
My point is, even if she hits the ground, the audible snap still happens. The floor didn't make any part of her snap, and the interview excerpt seems to indicate the floor was added for all those people who don't believe the snap, not to replace the snap. Its not like her neck snapped and she was okay then her head hits the floor. She simply couldn't have survived, there was nothing Peter could do to save her, which is the same lesson as the comic.
I think you're giving 70s era comic writing too much credit. Goblin told Peter to pick heroism or her. He picked both and he can't have both so he loses both. That's the lesson. Even if Stan Lee didn't write a "perfect" Kobayashi Maru scenario, it's clear from Goblin's dialogue on the very next page that she was supposed to be dead either way.
30 years of writing later it makes sense that someone else could write in some caveats, make some references and even give Peter some learning experiences from it. It's no different when guys 10 years later go back and say, oh well that happened because it was a clone. Simple fact is there's nothing in the original story that illustrates negligence on Peter's part. Well, not in his technique, anyway. Even after the Goblin gets fucking gutted and he realizes how hollow vengeance is, Peter doesn't express remorse about not having trained for this situation or whatever. There's no epilogue about Peter practicing newer safer web catches, nor improving his speed swing to beat Goblin up to her, or even his left hook to knock Goblin out in one punch. Peter's next move was to come to term with the fact that he can't have it all.
I'm agreeing with you on all of that, there is a difference between the two, but Peter is the type of person who is going to keep feeling guilty about it no matter the circumstances. Yeah he feels more guilty about about Gwen than the rest because of his feelings for her as well as the circumstance, but I don't really see that as a reason to go nitpicking between the two for the movies. He never stops feeling guilty about any of the people who have died around him whether he could've did something or not. So with Hollywood trying their own thing for this movie series I don't think it's so bad, but I do prefer the way it was done in the comics for sure. I found it really weird how close and tight nit the first movie was with canon, and how with the second movie they just decided to go completely off key. That was where a lot of my original skepticism came from. I have to say it was way better than I thought it was going to be, but it definitely wasn't the best spidey movie, which imo was the last one.
The american Version didnt have either. i was waiting for it and it never happened. I was Confused By this.
Im pretty sure he was captured for a while so he had time to think about the name
Well I just meant why would He go "didn't you know ?" Like as if it was common knowledge when it was just off the top totally trivial but just something that I had thought about while watching
Me too, it was a scene I was actually looking forward to because it is a bit of an "Oh shiiiiit" moment and could have set a different tone of the film. Studios have actually been sued for this kind of stuff before which is funny. Do you have any idea where his suit came from too? I thought he looked cooler in a black hoodie
Because it rhymes. And rhyming is cool, you fool
Either Harry Gave him the Suit, The Took it from the Place he was Captured Or he made it himself. I thought the Hoodie was Fine. But the Suit was Interesting. Also He had that thing in his head still showing his Eletrical Levels. That was Probably put in while he was captured.
Didnt you know Im Indecisive. I get what your saying. It was probably the only way they could think of a way for the people watching to know his name.
Yeah I figured the thing on his head was from him being captured, although I don't think I noticed it until he had the suit on which is weird, when I watch it again I might keep an eye open to see if he does actually have it when he kills the guards.
Your right it is weird.
Random Xman Teaser. Sony Owns Xmen also. So they decided to put that in there.
Ah that sucks, still cool though.
Not really random, the director of Spiderman was under contractual ties with Fox to do another film but they came to an agreement to release him from these ties as long as Sony put an X-men mini-trailer at the end of Spiderman. Not trying to be pedantic, just thought it was quite interesting and cool to see these studios working together to benefit each other.
