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lol i hate lex because of his ramdomness like fucking starting the match with d3 corp chargeing all random lmfao
lol i hate lex because of his ramdomness like fucking starting the match with d3 corp chargeing all random lmfao
You may want to phase that reflex out before people start learning to punish it...
Theres some definite downplaying here but I dont think MMH is not #1. He has the tools to deal with all situations in the game. Its just how effective they are in certain MUs.
Not bad, nd damn cyborg 9 1? Cyborg community lost all hope in dat mu lol.
Yeah lol cyborg MMH is terrible to the point of saying it's unwinnable is an understatement. I put 8-2 because of human error, but that is not relevant when it comes to this match up lol, if he doesn't have meter spamming OH teleport basically becomes an almost never ending block string
honestly think about it for a second, cyborg has hands down the worst rush down and footsies in this game, and when he can not zone at all what happens? also just looking at HG what can she do? if she ever goes in the air she gets hit, her dash and walk speed are both bottom 5, she has no range on her normals, and trait destroys mace charge or his MB B3 jump back 3, MMH can literally zone her out the entire match and cover his zoning with an orb, HG player please explain to me what chance does HG have in this MU @EMPEROR_JUPITER what are your scores when you play HG players in sets? (not saying that matters just curious)
I've only played icey and empr sunfire, It's been a while since I played them though. Also hawkgirl actually has a pressure game, unlike cyborg. She also has a few frames on her wing evade that she can use to make projectiles miss and get in and punish missed pillars mb orbs etc. also to punish teleport, but the risk reward is ALL in my favor, but she does have a few small answers for MMH's zoning, and her pressure game isn't that bad.
When we played a bit ago (it's been a little bit), the scores weren't hugely far apart(if I recall 16-8 your favor) and we had quite a few close games, I'm not here to debate the number just chiming in with my opinion above so don't mind me
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We haven't played for a VERY long time, but I'd be happy to play you soon! Also, your opinion on this MU is appreciated, she has a lot of wing evade tricks that could definitely help her vs MMH, but from how I look at it now. He eliminates her zoning game totally. Her pressure game can be jumped out of/teleported out of and full punished into sending you back to full screen, and you still have to make a risky read when doing WE against my pressure, and mb b3 isn't a good option vs HG. Force push is a great spacing tool to keep her out(trait 3 too but it sometimes trades with MC), and if timed right force push will stuff every wake up she has ( WE and MC ) , sending you full screen. Unless HG has an 80% health lead, MMH players should always run away from her.Why are we talking about MB back 3, jump back 3 as talking points in this match up as if those aren't universal counters to Hawkgirl's mace charge? MB mace charge beats MB back 3 too, which is something people forget. The entire roster can use these options. I don't think some players provide an accurate gauge of options or tech she has available.
For example, Hawkgirl can wing evade out of down 1 push/down 1 martian grab and full combo punish. 3 Wing evade tech blows up his wake ups.
She can full combo punish back 2,3,3,3 MB orb with wing evade. Hawkgirl can also do this to 2,2, MB orb and various other options. Strong patience and footsies are absolutely required and I don't see a lot of that when I've seen the match up play out.
Her pressure and safeness is a huge asset not to mention her cross up corner oki after combos using wing evade 2. She can wing evade MB orbs and nullify them too. 1,1, 2 she can wing evade out of as well.
And that's just some of the tech she has available to her, not all of it. I don't care if it's listed as 7-3 or 6-4, but she is not anywhere near as bad as Cyborg and this is coming from a Hawkgirl/Martian Manhunter player who has played them both for a long time.
When we played a bit ago (it's been a little bit), the scores weren't hugely far apart(if I recall 16-8 your favor) and we had quite a few close games, I'm not here to debate the number just chiming in with my opinion above so don't mind me
I only really care about this match up because I feel like I've done my homework on it from both sides.
You forgot to update Batgirl. The whole Batgirl forum is in here saying it's 6-4 MMH. Also, you beat the best Batgirl 6-1 in GF of Civil War.
What about NW ?
^ Still applies. The downplaying too stronk.
I'll be at UFGT so we can play offline and hopefully I can reflect what I actually know in my play
. Keep in mind I'm only mostly posting to say she has some legit options that work since Zyphox made his remark. I'm not arguing the number at all with my points, just trying to be informative because I do think she has some options.
As soon as I read this I knew Zod was updated to be a better match up for Martian.. lol.
Ask him his thoughts
Well, online does change match ups.. Like instant airing Zod Balls would be harder or near impossible online (on reaction)...
We as in me? sorry i just hate when people refer to someone when it was clearly one person who has said this recently. anyway i had this entire thing written about risk reward in a double life bar game that martian controls in the MU (from my point of view) but i tested your tech she actually can't punish b2333 MB ORB but she can't i just tested nor 22 MB orb (trait or not reversal timing )if MMH pressed a button perhaps but if he just holds back after b2333 MB ORB on reversal WE 2 nor 3 punishes. WE 2 is +4 so its still a good option to use but you made it seem like a punish. also icey does b22 to go right under and confirms WE 2 for full combo just incase you didn't know about it.Why are we talking about MB back 3, jump back 3 as talking points in this match up as if those aren't universal counters to Hawkgirl's mace charge? MB mace charge beats MB back 3 too, which is something people forget. The entire roster can use these options. I don't think some players provide an accurate gauge of options or tech she has available.
For example, Hawkgirl can wing evade out of down 1 push/down 1 martian grab and full combo punish. 3 Wing evade tech blows up his wake ups.
She can full combo punish back 2,3,3,3 MB orb with wing evade. Hawkgirl can also do this to 2,2, MB orb and various other options. Strong patience and footsies are absolutely required and I don't see a lot of that when I've seen the match up play out.
Her pressure and safeness is a huge asset not to mention her cross up corner oki after combos using wing evade 2. She can wing evade MB orbs and nullify them too. 1,1, 2 she can wing evade out of as well.
And that's just some of the tech she has available to her, not all of it. I don't care if it's listed as 7-3 or 6-4, but she is not anywhere near as bad as Cyborg and this is coming from a Hawkgirl/Martian Manhunter player who has played them both for a long time.
This character is more than mace charge, down 1 and wing evade despite what a lot of people think of her.
When we played a bit ago (it's been a little bit), the scores weren't hugely far apart(if I recall 16-8 your favor) and we had quite a few close games, I'm not here to debate the number just chiming in with my opinion above so don't mind me
I do not at all think scores matter more or less tech and what works is important at the end of the day.
I only really care about this match up because I feel like I've done my homework on it from both sides.
Jupiter was playing the Sonic Fox matchup here, not the Batgirl matchup.
I'm really hoping I can go to ufgt, if i can then for sure. And I feel MMH's character design counters her design completely. Not as bad as cyborg though. She can't do what she was designed to do vs him really. She can't fly or use her specials like she can in almost every other MU.I'll be at UFGT so we can play offline and hopefully I can reflect what I actually know in my play
Yeah he does, zoning the best counterzoner in the game is a bad idea and that's the thing, she's not really a zoner. Her zoning is okay, but where she shines at is her pressure. She's more of a hit and run pressure character. Her fundamental design from her specials to her pressure is built around bringing her to the opponent and pushing them to the corner if you look at all her MB specials they bring her to the opponent at plus frames or safety.
I think people need to get out of thinking down 1, wing evade 3 and down 1 mace charge are her main, legit pressure. That's a gimmick that I've gotten out of using for the most part. I use her plus strings that can't be jumped out of mostly to establish pressure and guessing games.
She has to take more risks plus he sets the pace and that's why he wins the match up and I agree that push is a really effective check as well especially if you catch the Hawkgirl player trying to bulldog their way in. And yeah you should run like hell most of the match haha.
