Sabrewulf is OP

[NightwingDayZero]

Kinda late to the party!

Never too late to post a 5 minute video.

 

[redeyes]

i still say buff orchid.

 

[Lok0xXxSn1per5]

Dude isn't jagos uppercut also 0 frames. Yes it is. Let's talk about that full screen combo starting low invincible wind kick. Go on tell me jagos losing matchups. He has none

This has nothing to do with jago.

Jagos LP DP is 2 frames, invincible on wake up but the lp dp has very little hitbox and doesnt auto correct or hit from the back.

Hk windkick is -5 on block SW can punish it with shadow move and get a full combo.
Glacius lp hail can get a full combo punish on block plus I can either NJ or shadow puddle punch on reaction.

It seems like most of you guys still dont have the game lol

Edit: about low invincibility, glacius cold shoulder has it to.
Orchid F+HK, C.MK etc.
SW overhead etc etc

 

[G4S KT]

http://testyourmight.com/threads/jago-anti-sabre-tech-defeating-ex-eclipse.40459/

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

I'd simply ask for the dash through to only work if he clears the throwbox with his hotbox. Most of the ambiguous stuff happens when he is still Inside the opponent.

Maybe a few frames more of recovery, so the setup requires a tad more precise timing. Its not that its scrubby.... Its just frustrating to Even know if you blocked something properly.

 

[Rome]

Its so sad that Sabrewulf requires no ( NO! ) skill at all... its sad cos actually i love Sabrewulf

His dumb cross-dash into throw, -into cr.LP , or even -into the overhead is just braindead, especially on wakeup, and should as fast as possible get nerfed.

 

[Vagrant]

Its so sad that Sabrewulf requires no ( NO! ) skill at all... its sad cos actually i love Sabrewulf

His dumb cross-dash into throw, -into cr.LP , or even -into the overhead is just braindead, especially on wakeup, and should as fast as possible get nerfed.

Dash into throw gets blown up by neutral jump no matter which side.
Dash into cr lp is blown up by a a crlp or crlk of your own, or any move that crushes lows.
Dash into overhead is a free punish on block.

He's an overwhelming character that creates a lot of guess scenarios. But players who aren't even capitalizing when they guess right shouldn't be complaining about his balance.

 

[Tony at Home]

Its so sad that Sabrewulf requires no ( NO! ) skill at all... its sad cos actually i love Sabrewulf

His dumb cross-dash into throw, -into cr.LP , or even -into the overhead is just braindead, especially on wakeup, and should as fast as possible get nerfed.

He only gets a safe crossup dash off a back+throw.

Without a hard knockdown, enough hit advantage, and enough distance, the crossup dash is not ambuguous, and not safe either.

The overhead is not safe either.

Dash + throw or cr.LP is 25 frames (21 + 4). It can be stuffed by just mashing cr. Lp if a Wulf just goes for this randomly and out of the blue.

Not sure how this is any different from a jumping crossup into a tick throw, which every other character in the cast can do.

 

[Rome]

lololol XD

on wakeup its cheap and dumb and i dont wanna hear all the bla bla "it can all be blocked" ( lol, really? u dont say O_O )

Guessing all the time has nothing to do with skill. End of story Hope Iron Galaxy will change him a little bit to a more demanding char. Then even i would play him.

 

[Tony at Home]

lololol XD

on wakeup its cheap and dumb and i dont wanna hear all the bla bla "it can all be blocked" ( lol, really? u dont say O_O )

Guessing all the time has nothing to do with skill. End of story Hope Iron Galaxy will change him a little bit to a more demanding char. Then even i would play him.

How is this any different from having to deal with a safe-jump into 50-50 setup on knockdown from any other character?

 

[Tony at Home]

Its so sad that Sabrewulf requires no ( NO! ) skill at all... its sad cos actually i love Sabrewulf

You should read this article. I'm not calling you a scrub, but what you're saying reflects a similarly bad mentality- and it's described in this article here:

http://www.sirlin.net/articles/playing-to-win-part-1.html

"The scrub has still more crutches. He talks a great deal about "skill" and how he has skill whereas other players--very much including the ones who beat him flat out--do not have skill. The confusion here is what "skill" actually is. In Street Fighter, scrubs often cling to combos as a measure of skill. A combo is sequence of moves that are unblockable if the first move hits. Combos can be very elaborate and very difficult to pull off. But single moves can also take "skill," according to the scrub. The "dragon punch" or "uppercut" in Street Fighter is performed by holding the joystick toward the opponent, then down, then diagonally down and toward as the player presses a punch button. This movement must be completed within a fraction of a second, and though there is leeway, it must be executed fairly accurately. Ask any scrub and they will tell you that a dragon punch is a "skill move." Just last week I played a scrub who was actually quite good. That is, he knew the rules of the game well, he knew the character matchups well, and he knew what to do in most situations. But his web of mental rules kept him from truly playing to win. He cried cheap as I beat him with "no skill moves" while he performed many difficult dragon punches. He cried cheap when I threw him 5 times in a row asking, "is that all you know how to do? throw?" I gave him the best advice he could ever hear. I told him, "Play to win, not to do ˜difficult moves.'" This was a big moment in that scrub's life. He could either write his losses off and continue living in his mental prison, or analyze why he lost, shed his rules, and reach the next level of play."

 

[G4S KT]

It's REALLY difficult for anyone to argue that Sabre isn't the #1 character in the game simply because he has no losing match ups.

The Sabre vortex is real but not safe in almost all circumstances. Keeping track of all his options is daunting at first, but I thought about this match a lot after losing to Desdinova (one of the top Sabre's on the circuit ATM). The research paid off and I ran it back to win at the next tournament.

 

[EdFig81]

I am sorry to say this and maybe it's because I haven't hit the lab but I find it funny some1 who never played ki gets the basics explained and in less then thirty minutes can body my thunder. He's crazy and I can't get use the mu. That's just my opinion I have played good saberwolfs but I feel he's to easy and can be bad if all someome who is trying to play the game deals with. Just saying not sure if a nerf is needed but I agree with @AK Pig Of The Hut

 

[Vagrant]

It's REALLY difficult for anyone to argue that Sabre isn't the #1 character in the game simply because he has no losing match ups..

I thought SW loses to glacius.

 

[Vagrant]

on wakeup its cheap and dumb and i dont wanna hear all the bla bla "it can all be blocked" ( lol, really? u dont say O_O ).

Eventhubs is just a click away if you want to bitch.
Your clearly not interested in learning.

 

[G4S KT]

I thought SW loses to glacius.

The first time I talked to Desdinova he was telling me that he thought that until he either found new tech or broke the match up down (I forget which) and that he now thinks Sabre wins.

@Orochi would probably know more details

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

Thunder is probably the BEST character to use against doge
easy safe jumps, and basically forces the same type of Oki AGAINST doge that doge can against just about everyone.

It is more about not thinking about his 90 million options, and figuring out the pattern of them being used, and how you can shadow counter him into oblivion.

 

[TakeAChance]

Thunder is probably the BEST character to use against doge
easy safe jumps, and basically forces the same type of Oki AGAINST doge that doge can against just about everyone.

It is more about not thinking about his 90 million options, and figuring out the pattern of them being used, and how you can shadow counter him into oblivion.

Typical Doge downplayer ;P

 

[PND_Ketchup]

I definitely don't think the Glacius loses to Sabre.

Mustard and I run that matchup all the time, and it seems like Glacius wins 6-4, or maybe even. but Glacius does not lose to sabrewulf.

 

[PND_Ketchup]

I'm by no means a downplayer, and I never have been.

BUT, I do want to clear something up. If Sabre is as 100000x broken as everyone is making out, why is it that the last few majors/large tournaments have been won by other characters?

When I watch people beat Sabrewulf, it's because they're playing good, smart, and they're not scared of him. If you spend the whole match worrying your ass off about stuff he may not even do, you lose to yourself before you even lose the match. I'm not saying he isn't the best character, by all means. But I see him losing a lot when it actually matters.

 

[Orochi]

Glacius vs Sabre is even. Sabre being a character with no projectiles but dash to get in helps Glacius, but when sabre gets in he just wrecks Glacius

 

[G4S KT]

Glacius vs Sabre is even. Sabre being a character with no projectiles but dash to get in helps Glacius, but when sabre gets in he just wrecks Glacius

What about when you factor in that Sabre gets right up in Glacius' shit for free at the beginning of every match and every lifebar break?

 

[Vagrant]

Either way it doesn't really matter.

I don't think SW is OP. Just really good.

 

[Orochi]

What about when you factor in that Sabre gets right up in Glacius' shit for free at the beginning of every match and every lifebar break?

That sucks bad, you're basically taking a mixup already, that scenario really favors sabrewulf, I've lost whole lifebars cause I couldn't get out of a reset that started like this.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

What about when you factor in that Sabre gets right up in Glacius' shit for free at the beginning of every match and every lifebar break?

it isn't like he's totally defenseless
the hitbox on eclipse is just kinda dumb is all. You should be able to cross it up like every other DP in the game.

That and he shoudlnt' do damage if he's in instinct and he combo breaks.