A reflection. . .

[PTG Slayer]

As I sit back, and watch the past glory and hype of the MK9 days, I realize how short it was. In comparison, look at the Capcom community. They support there games for decades! Why can't we? Being a nobody, I really don't have much pull. But it's 3 years after the fact, and I'm still hype as hell off MK.

-All evos were hype as fck
-Tyrant vs. CDjr Mirror match
-MLG

[YOUTUBE]

Guess my point is. . . what happened to us? Why would we let this kind of game die so early?

 

[coolwhip]

Can't tell if this is an MK compilation video or a highlight of Tyrant's best moments... I guess they're both one and the same.

 

[PTG Slayer]

Can't tell if this is an MK compilation video or a highlight of Tyrant's best moments... I guess they're both one and the same.

Lol, literally posted the first video I could find. There was 100s to choose from, which further proves my point on how hype this game was.

 

[RM_NINfan101]

This is just my opinion, but I honestly think the reason MK9 died so soon is because there's too many things wrong with it in terms of it's game engine that Injustice either kinda remedies or tries to fix. I've played both, and even if i'm not the biggest fan of Injustice at least I won't get an input bug sometimes for trying to do a down poke at a crucial moment during pressure. Meter glitches and other assorted bugs as well. It really did need a new update as I think the game engine (unreal) had something to do with some of the bugs? Not sure. Still, it was fun while it lasted, and I can only imagine MK10 will be better in more ways than one.

 

[THTB]

You may be hype, but is everyone else? A lot of people were sick of a lot of things with MK9 by the time it pretty much became dead.

 

[Mechacide]

I think there's many reasons MK9 died out, from the small community, to the unenjoyable quirks and glitches of the engine, to the over-patching and hotfixing. But MK9 was a reboot and NRS did an amazing job on it overall, especially in regards to fan service. In fact NRS are very good at building hype and they have such a history that they'll always bring in players, they just need to really make sure their engine is pristine and the balance is good. Considering the excellent work they've done with Injustice, I think MK10 will be a huge improvement over MK9 and I think it'll last much longer.

Having said that, I think NRS should help keep their games living by extending them the way Capcom does. I'd be all up for an Ultimate MK9 with some new characters, stages, X-rays and rebalance. Good money-maker, too.

 

[Matix218]

I agree with Slayer personally. Id still rather play and watch mk9 than IGAU and I found the matches much more exciting in mk9. I love the movement speed especially. Its a shame the game had stuff like the input bug, meter drain glitch and p1 advantage (and kabal) because if not I think it may have been viewed by the fgc masses in a more positive light and may still be alive and well.

Still my favorite game though.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Looking at the character lineup of SCR 2014 Top 8 should answer this question. The game had a lot of awesome qualities, but also a lot of glaring issues that weren't able to be fixed. Balance was seriously off kilter by the end and people grew tired of traveling to lose to resets, NDC, wads of safe armor and 7frame/6frame amazing moves.

 

[Tony at Home]

Guess my point is. . . what happened to us? Why would we let this kind of game die so early?

Because the balance is completely broken.

Evo 2013 ended with two broken characters fighting each other. It wasn't hype for me to watch at all.

I saw ridiculously overpowered Cyrax reset combos, and ridiculously overpowered NDC block strings.

 

[STRYKIE]

I really don't think people realize just how much work/money would've have to gone into a new revision of the game to at least be considerably serviceable. The majority of gripes everyone had are hardcoded into the game and wouldn't have been remediable via a patch.

And even those that were, it usually went something like this:

"KUNG LAO'S UNSAFE MOVES AREN'T UNSAFE ENOUGH"
"YOU MADE KANO TOO GOOD"
"PATCH THIS MOVE CAUSE ITS USELESS RIGHT NOW.. WAIT WTF WHY U GIVE IT ARMOR"

Not to mention CD Jr's (yeah, Mr. "Cage and Kenshi are braindead nikka"), infamous try-hard sugar coat of "we want one more patch just to nerf Kabal... JUST KABAL. Juuuuuust Kabal."

Amongst other mechanical oversights like.. Cyrax in general. Can you imagine the big "I give up" on NRS's faces when exploit after exploit was discovered? I don't know where people get the $40k figure from either, fixing all of this in absolutes.. would've spilled well over into six figures. Let's be serious here, Warner Bros aren't going to make that kind of investment for an IP that relatively speaking, they don't care about, to appease 200-300 people for a hot minute.

So yeah, let's "balance" the game and start complaining about some other character's day 1 tech. Honestly, all the shit we witnessed/discovered in 2013 alone goes to show how much there may yet be to decipher in the game.

I agree with Slayer personally. Id still rather play and watch mk9 than IGAU and I found the matches much more exciting in mk9. I love the movement speed especially. Its a shame the game had stuff like the input bug, meter drain glitch and p1 advantage (and kabal) because if not I think it may have been viewed by the fgc masses in a more positive light and may still be alive and well.

Still my favorite game though.

By definition, this wasn't a glitch. Just sayin'.

Because the balance is completely broken.

Evo 2013 ended with two broken characters fighting each other. It wasn't hype for me to watch at all.

I saw ridiculously overpowered Cyrax reset combos, and ridiculously overpowered NDC block strings.

All those Kabal players were trying to stay the fuck away from Cyrax, what grand finals were you watching?

 

[STRYKIE]

Looking at the character lineup of SCR 2014 Top 8 should answer this question. The game had a lot of awesome qualities, but also a lot of glaring issues that weren't able to be fixed. Balance was seriously off kilter by the end and people grew tired of traveling to lose to resets, NDC, wads of safe armor and 7frame/6frame amazing moves.

This is considering an Ermac player won the tournament and Smoke, Freddy, Cage etc. were nowhere to be seen? lol

Not to mention Final Round.. even though it was more a case that people still don't know how to fight a mediocre character 3 years later.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

This is considering an Ermac player won the tournament and Smoke, Freddy, Cage etc. were nowhere to be seen? lol

Ermac was used in one match in Top 8 -- a Lao player won the tournament. The rest was almost entirely Cyrax/Kabal/Lao and a bit of Kenshi/Sonya with the sole exception being 16 bit.

 

[deathblooms2k4]

Injustice killed MK9.

Just like Brawl almost killed Smash Melee. The difference being Brawl was far worse than Melee.

There's a good chance when MK10 comes out that it will Kill Injustice.

The reason capcom games have stayed relevant is because there haven't been any new releases for a while in the big headline games Street Fighter and Marvel.

 

[Deleted member 5032]

...

If you ever want to get in some offline MK9 sets, I'm always down.

 

[PTG Slayer]

If you ever want to get in some offline MK9 sets, I'm always down.

Forsure! I'll be down to travel in about 2 weeks. Finishing up a recent move from Rock Island to East Moline.

 

[Skkra]

Balance was seriously off kilter by the end and people grew tired of traveling to lose to resets, NDC, wads of safe armor and 7frame/6frame amazing moves.

Pretty much this... it was just too unbalanced. As fun as the game was, at a high level, the dominant characters just shut down the majority of the rest of the game. Compare that to something like Injustice or SF4 where people are finding that if you're dedicated to your character and know your matchups, you can win.

 

[STRYKIE]

Ermac was used in one match in Top 8 -- a Lao player won the tournament. The rest was almost entirely Cyrax/Kabal/Lao and a bit of Kenshi/Sonya with the sole exception being 16 bit.

Pboard believes Ermac beats Lao (which, I can't help but raise an eyebrow at, but I don't play either character), and in the grand scheme of it, it doesn't change the fact that he was more prominent in the tournament than characters that are considered locks for the top 10, which Ermac clearly isn't.

Pretty much this... it was just too unbalanced. As fun as the game was, at a high level, the dominant characters just shut down the majority of the rest of the game. Compare that to something like Injustice or SF4 where people are finding that if you're dedicated to your character and know your matchups, you can win.

Again, Sonic Fox's Mileena speaks volumes while Sonya and Kenshi never won a major. And essentially speaking, both of those games have far more serviceable training modes than MK9, it's hard to argue that MK9's midcarders becoming main-eventers in Injustice was a coincidence. I say this all in the nicest respect possible.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

Ok just to make a point, mkw ONLY broke character was kabal bcuz he won every mu, and if u think the grand finals of evo 2013 wasnt hype, then smh lmao. Nd y my words have lines thru them

 

[STRYKIE]

Ok just to make a point, mkw ONLY broke character was kabal bcuz he won every mu, and if u think the grand finals of evo 2013 wasnt hype, then smh lmao.

I personally disagree with the aspect of why Kabal is broken, statistically Kenshi is more broken than Kabal due to the obvious lack of testing (although, people were so bitter about it that they failed to realize his lack of testing also left him with a lot of holes such as Spirit Charge being full combo punishable on HIT in the corner), Kabal in contrast was just straight up overpowered.

But yeah, for instance, any Cyrax player, hell, most players, trying to make a case they they've approached the Kabal matchup the way your brother did are literally lying to themselves.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

I personally disagree with the aspect of why Kabal is broken, statistically Kenshi is more broken than Kabal due to the obvious lack of testing (although, people were so bitter about it that they failed to realize his lack of testing also left him with a lot of holes such as Spirit Charge being full combo punishable on HIT in the corner), Kabal in contrast was just straight up overpowered.

But yeah, for instance, any Cyrax player, hell, most players, trying to make a case they they've approached the Kabal matchup the way your brother did are literally lying to themselves.

Kenshi still had bad matchups, but yeah kenshi def messed up many lol. Overall, mk9 had issues, but mk10 should fix those

 

[Rathalos]

I'm just glad MK9 lasted for as long as it did.

The community could have easily thrown in the towel after the first EVO, but they kept up with it, even in the face of it's numerous problems.

I wonder if it will stand the test of time, like MK2/3, or be mostly forgotten like the ps2 games.
I guess that will probably depend on what type of game MK10 is.

 

[16 Bit]

It's not an MK thread without Strykie downplaying Kabal and Kenshi.

 

[YOMI MITYEAP]

It's not an MK thread without Strykie downplaying Kabal and Kenshi.

Haha, number one and 2 easily. 3 rax 4 sonya 5 lao IMO (potential top 5s if the game kept going onr: smoke freddy nd skarlet).

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

MK9 had great fan service and a breakthrough way for a developer to stay close and listen to the fans and the tournament players alike.
MK9 also had OBVIOUS obvious obvious character design flaws either due to favoritism (my pick) or just plain lack of testing. It also had bugs that could RUIN a match.

At least we can say, that Injustice is SO heavily MU based... that anyone can win. That aspect makes it hype for anyone to watch and play... because YOU CAN WIN WITH YOUR CHARACTER. MK9 did not have that. If you think so, go ask a Jade, Stryker, Sheeva or Kano main how much fun the game brought to them.

Here is to hoping that the next MK has the character diversity that lets anyone win.

 

[STRYKIE]

It's not an MK thread without Strykie downplaying Kabal and Kenshi.

The main thing I've disagreed with concerning Kenshi is the notion that his lesser publicized matchups (Shang, Noob, Sindel, Sektor) were automatic 10-0s. I don't doubt for a second that the ones he's famous for (Cage, Kitana, Sub etc.) are never gonna be better than 7-3 Kenshi's favor, even if we played MK9 full time for the next 5 years. Everything else is writing on the wall people just refuse to concede.

Granted, for the record, I also disagree that "Cyrax only loses to Kabal", "Kabal loses to Kitana", "Cage only loses to Kenshi" etc.