I think Cowboy is the prime example of how people become top from averageReally good episode.
@GGA Slips
I think the whole "some people are just good" thing isn't really true. How long have you been playing fighting games? It seems to me that you have just put in a shit ton of time and have become good because of that. Have you ever REALLY cared about being good or traveling for FPS games? You probably just enjoy fighting games more and are willing to put in more time. A perfect example of this is Glass Sword, who will admit that he was trash in MK. But after putting in a ton of time and becoming comfortable in tournaments he is now a competent fighting game player that is a threat to make top 8. There might be some truth to "some people are just better" but I think that everyone can improve and become top if they care enough.
Hey man, regulating KTP threads is my gimmick!That is without a doubt the worst thing you could say to defend them. Every time people say this I laugh out loud and shake my head. You are in fact making them look WORSE. When someone says, I have been doing this for years, you expect them to run a tight ship. What you don't expect, is for them to give shitty excuses of "you don't understand", "you're looking at it out of context."
The failings of the "leadership" of this community is astounding at times. Never have any of you tried to start up tournaments that focus on the game you love. Nope. Just gotta follow the TOs that started with Capcom games cuz we just don't get it. We have to follow their lead. You have to PAY THE SAME PRICE as the capcom players even though you are getting HALF the service. Is this the TO's fault? Hell no. They are like shit, if people want to pay us to play their game to the side, why not?
The Smash community was shit on for YEARS. They didn't even have a scene at these tournaments. Yet somehow they have grown off a 13 year old game and actually made TO's offer prime finals times, meanwhile this community has to just sit there and follow the old FGC guard. Can't do your own thing at all, nope gotta follow the guy's who "have done things for the community in the past"
And if you complain about something, well oh boy. You are a liar, you don't understand shit (as though it's some complicated rocket science affair), and my personal favorite, durrr why don't you tell us this to our face? oh cuz you say one thing, and then the opposite happens.
Oh and newsflash, being apart of the FGC does not mean you are all bound to eachother permanently. There is no reason why every tourney has to have 10 games. You can have less then 100 players and still put on a good show with good talent that people will watch. But i guess i just dont get how complicated it is to get a bunch of people together to play a game
Yes, and Chris literally does nothing except play fighting games. It takes time to become good at anything: motivation is really important.Regarding the "some people are just good debate," (which I'm only reading about in this thread as I didn't get to that part on the podcast yet) 3 words: Christopher Fucking Gonzalez. If he doesn't have talent more than most mere mortals, I don't know who does.
Thats no editing.Holy shit, that Slips transvestite question followed by the shifting orgasm sound effects. God damn.
Question to @K7L33THA: These Slips questions always seem out of place and random (which is why they're awesome). Is there an edit in there or does Slips just transition from Smarr talking about the BA of America to a question about transvestite orgasm?
That makes it soooo much better hahahahaThats no editing.
^^thisYes, and Chris literally does nothing except play fighting games. It takes time to become good at anything: motivation is really important.
I stopped playing fighting games for a year and played nothing but Call of Duty. Although I'm certainly better at it, I don't consider my skill at the game to be very special or above anyone else's. My aim is whatever, my movement is average, ect. I love playing it and it's super fun. I wish I could get better. But there are roadblocks I haven't been able to get passed and I don't know if it's a knowledge barrier, mental barrier or skill barrier. Whatever it is, it's certainly not instinctual to be good at like fighting games were for me.Really good episode.
@GGA Slips
I think the whole "some people are just good" thing isn't really true. How long have you been playing fighting games? It seems to me that you have just put in a shit ton of time and have become good because of that. Have you ever REALLY cared about being good or traveling for FPS games? You probably just enjoy fighting games more and are willing to put in more time. A perfect example of this is Glass Sword, who will admit that he was trash in MK. But after putting in a ton of time and becoming comfortable in tournaments he is now a competent fighting game player that is a threat to make top 8. There might be some truth to "some people are just better" but I think that everyone can improve and become top if they care enough.
To be fair, playing Glass at the very end of MK9, his Smoke was starting to get better. If we were still playing MK9 heavily at this point instead of IGAU, I have no doubt that the 'click' would have happened for him around the same time anyway.Glass Sword I believe is an example of just being better at a certain type of fighting game. MK9 wasn't his thing, but he gets Injustice...or gets Raven at the very least. Each fighting game caters to some different skills. But that's a different debate.
It took Wound about a year to become the great player he is now much like myself in my early years. He was always decent even from the get go, but some players stay just being 'decent'. That's the issue.I think Cowboy is the prime example of how people become top from average
my bad lolHey man, regulating KTP threads is my gimmick!
Again, so about a year and Glass Sword has overcome a lot of the barriers that some players haven't. Good for him. There are plenty of feel good stories out there. But I'm talking about the players that have remained stagnant for more than a year. For some people, it might not ever 'click'.To be fair, playing Glass at the very end of MK9, his Smoke was starting to get better. If we were still playing MK9 heavily at this point instead of IGAU, I have no doubt that the 'click' would have happened for him around the same time anyway.
Also he is a completely different player in IGAU now than he was when I played him earlier on. It's like night and day.
So I'm thinking this was just the culmination of him taking fighting games more seriously, practicing a lot more, learning from a lot of people and training actively every week.
The interesting thing is that most people will never naturally hit their ceiling. It's the reason why most people who want to learn piano take piano lessons, and why Olympic athletes have trainers from a young age. If you left everyone to their own devices and just put them in front of a piano, they'd only become so good by trial and error (except for a select few who are legitimate prodigies)I agree with Slips point. I think anyone can improve in pretty much any skill-based activity in life by practicing and devoting time to it, but every person has a ceiling they can reach. Some people are very talented at many things, some very few things.
I think KN has 2 options here:What are your suggestions?