I don't really care about "track record" tournament results or whatever. I give people I play plenty of problems and they all understand the character,the matchup, and are very very good players. I hope to see the pug shirt this weekend.
The reason Batrgirl outstrips KF agaianst the higher tiers imo is that she has a million ways to confirm into vortex. Random b1, b2, j2/3, MB teleport, d2, MB flying bat, etc. Also her cartwheel + flying bat + tele give her much better midscreen space control. And Batgirl has much better control of interactibles in a game where interactables matter.
I don't doubt it, I think when we first played you bodied me with a non-zoning DS when my Bane was younger and... worse. That being said, even you can't deny that in comparison to Batgirl, KF doesn't have as much concrete offline data in comparison to the others around her. So as I said before, she could be a 7, but theres just not enough data so I can understand the 6.
We need to play and you might have a different take
I am basing this off of playing and watching great players of both characters. So for example, to me playing Sonic is a lot different from playing other Batgirl mains because he actually knows how to make use of all of the character's tools.
OK, you have to give me props for keeping you occupied with countless KF arguments. Oh man, back when I was secretly top Deathstroke since I knew how good his footsies and rushdown were...as to why I knew not to rely too much on zoning back then?
My point is that KF has excellent space control, air control no. Excellent horizontal space control, and the threat of slide making you hold down at mid-range means something.
lol. Props for what? I've played every character to some extent so its not like I don't know a thing or two, and I'm always willing to lob a bit of talk here and there if it helps develop the game or explain something.
Did my post not explain clearly what for?
Not clearly. You kept me occupied, but I mean I'm not just going to ignore you when you talk characters with me lol.
I just don't see how its prop-worthy, but maybe I'm missing something?
lol
Ok, but her primary tool has one big flaw: her horizontal space control is limited to a very low hitbox. If I jump, I still get hit by batgirl's cartwheel, flying bat, teleport etc. If I jump KF's slide it either whiffs at best case for her, or I get a punish at best case for me. And her air normals aren't really good enough to preemptively control the airspace. So if you take the ground game away from her, or at least make it risky, what does she have left against the top tier?
Yeah you are missing sarcasm
Wrong, KF's slide may have very low priority...but delaying it can trip guard your opponent. Best case on a jump is not my slide whiffing, best case is trip-guarding you into 30+ into a 50-50.
If I'm timing or spacing it wrong, that's on me. And against characters that have any kind of air mobility or can teleport out of the air, that risk is on you.
Thanks for the first sentence.
That isn't really a huge risk, it is just a mind game in the meta if they are jumping back to anticipate a slide. Delaying slide on a jump back is good, but she has other options like anti-airing with daggers into iceberg.
I can vouch for that corner game , its nastyyyyyy
The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about
