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[Shaazzyam]

Did somebody say.... Nightwing?

 

[Red Reaper]

I don't know how he does against GA but his "fast kross ups" which is supposed to be overhead, get this, WHIFFS ON DAMNED CROUCHING CHARACTERS!!! Unless you MB it of course. Also once you get used to it you can start blocking it because it's not ambiguous like most cross-ups in this game.
His frame traps are good but the main problem is that the start-up on all his moves (in Staff, which has the good frame traps) is very, very slow. Making the frame-traps kind of useless (you will only get a couple of percent chip damage after the frame-trap mostly).
His tons of chip is mainly on that Staff Spin. Which I love to abuse, but unless you MB it does pushback and is -6 on block so you gave up your pressure and your spacing which NW really needs. The MB Staff Spin is really, really good though and I freakin' love that move.
And finally don't talk to me about Wingdings they are negative ON HIT :S It's good for online games but when playing offline against someone good they aren't that good, trust me.

I know..

But if they're krouching the Flip Kick, you kan MB it.

Wing Dings do good chip and even though they are minus, the opponent still has to dash in (and thereby losing their advantage with the time it takes to dash). Aside from that, he still has the MB on the Wing Dings to check people if they are relentless with the dashing.

I don't think that just because opponents have answers to your mix ups it means he sux.

 

[JDM]

Why are people barely starting to komplain about this stuff now? This is day 1 stuff! lol...

While I didn't know about the whiffing the orb thing, a lot of this community relies on other people regurgitating information to them so they can learn. That's why so many people played this game at a low level for months... Hell there was info about Backdashing green lantern's B13 string about 2 months ago on here. People just don't wanna figure shit out themselves in this community and would rather bitch and moan for a nerf. Remember Deathstroke? Remember how tom brady would post videos on how to beat him because he knew precisely what was going to happen? It's because this community is full of whiners and crybabies.

 

[Red Reaper]

While I didn't know about the whiffing the orb thing, a lot of this community relies on other people regurgitating information to them so they can learn. That's why so many people played this game at a low level for months... Hell there was info about Backdashing green lantern's B13 string about 2 months ago on here. People just don't wanna figure shit out themselves in this community and would rather bitch and moan for a nerf. Remember Deathstroke? Remember how tom brady would post videos on how to beat him because he knew precisely what was going to happen? It's because this community is full of whiners and crybabies.

Pre-patch Deathstroke needed to be nerfed though.

Not every character had a 6 frame Charge like Lex to deal with Deathstrokes shit. And he forced you to jump..

I actually picked him up after he was nerfed for a while...

 

[Braindead]

I don't think that just because opponents have answers to your mix ups it means he sux.

Well most of what I mentioned isn't my real problem with him, these are the reasons that make me think he's bad:
1- No decent Anti-air move.
2- Horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE mobility.
3- No real mix-ups (all of them are slow and easily reactable)
4- His pressure is severely flawed. He has gaps everywhere because the cancelling advantages on his strings are unbelievably bad.
5- Horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE mobility.
EDIT: 6- Terrible wake-up game.

Outside the corner it's a living hell for NW.

 

[JDM]

Pre-patch Deathstroke needed to be nerfed though.

Not every character had a 6 frame Charge like Lex to deal with Deathstrokes shit. And he forced you to jump..

I actually picked him up after he was nerfed for a while...

Pre Patch Deathstroke didn't need nerfs from what I can tell, he was super good and probably top 5 but the nerfs were a little much. Also, even if he DID end up needing nerfs, people bitched about him day one and wouldn't even take him into training mode to learn how to beat him.

That's why this community sucks.

 

[Chongo]

Well most of what I mentioned isn't my real problem with him, these are the reasons that make me think he's bad:
1- No decent Anti-air move.
2- Horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE mobility.
3- No real mix-ups (all of them are slow and easily reactable)
4- His pressure is severely flawed. He has gaps everywhere because the cancelling advantages on his strings are unbelievably bad.
5- Horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE mobility.

Outside the corner it's a living hell for NW.

Don't forget terrible wakeup game

 

[Braindead]

Don't forget terrible wakeup game

HOW THE HELL DID I FORGET THAT?!!

 

[Chongo]

HOW THE HELL DID I FORGET THAT?!!

But it's ok since he has d1

 

[Braindead]

But it's ok since he has d1

That's all people think about when they hear the word "Nightwing" don't they?
OMG HE HAS A 6-FRAME D1 THAT IS +GAZILLION ON BLOCK

 

[Red Reaper]

Well most of what I mentioned isn't my real problem with him, these are the reasons that make me think he's bad:
1- No decent Anti-air move.
2- Horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE mobility.
3- No real mix-ups (all of them are slow and easily reactable)
4- His pressure is severely flawed. He has gaps everywhere because the cancelling advantages on his strings are unbelievably bad.
5- Horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE mobility.

Outside the corner it's a living hell for NW.

1. I understand your sentiment on the AA move but I think he was designed to be jumping like Harley and that's why he doesn't have it. Though, to be honest, it bugged the hell out of me with Harley. Jump Back 3 also works as a good AA.

2. His mobility is really good. I don't understand how anyone kan say it sux, much less say that it's "Horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE"

3. I think he has good mix ups but how react-able some of them are is debatable.

4. He has many different tools to switch up between. It's similar to Arrow and Ares in that he was designed to have gaps and designed to have ways around them. Only difference is that he has more ways to mix it up.

5. Again, this is the worst point and there is no way you kan konvince me that it's horrible when I've tried out Ares as a hidden main for such a good amount of time.

 

[Chongo]

1. I understand your sentiment on the AA move but I think he was designed to be jumping like Harley and that's why he doesn't have it. Though, to be honest, it bugged the hell out of me with Harley. Jump Back 3 also works as a good AA.
JB3 isn't an anti air, it's an air to air and you don't get a followup.
2. His mobility is really good. I don't understand how anyone kan say it sux, much less say that it's "Horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE"
uhhhhhhhhhh, u wot m8
3. I think he has good mix ups but how react-able some of them are is debatable.
The thing is you don't even have to be able to react to them. Just block high in escrima and the most you're taking is like 12%
4. He has many different tools to switch up between. It's similar to Arrow and Ares in that he was designed to have gaps and designed to have ways around them. Only difference is that he has more ways to mix it up.

5. Again, this is the worst point and there is no way you kan konvince me that it's horrible when I've tried out Ares as a hidden main for such a good amount of time.
U wot m8?

 

[knight x1868]

PLEASE!
FOR ALL THAT IS GRAMMATICALLY SOUND!
REGARDLESS of how a word sounds phonetically, if the word is spelled with a "C," do not replace it with a "K" like it's cool!

 

[Red Reaper]

Pre Patch Deathstroke didn't need nerfs from what I can tell, he was super good and probably top 5 but the nerfs were a little much. Also, even if he DID end up needing nerfs, people bitched about him day one and wouldn't even take him into training mode to learn how to beat him.

That's why this community sucks.

I took him into training mode and trust me, it was bad..

Also, while everyone else had their shitty D2's he still had his 7 frame Sword Flip.

This kommunity varies, there's a lot of people that komplain, but most of the ones that do don't even go to tournaments...

 

[Braindead]

1. I understand your sentiment on the AA move but I think he was designed to be jumping like Harley and that's why he doesn't have it. Though, to be honest, it bugged the hell out of me with Harley. Jump Back 3 also works as a good AA.

2. His mobility is really good. I don't understand how anyone kan say it sux, much less say that it's "Horrible, horrible, HORRIBLE"

3. I think he has good mix ups but how react-able some of them are is debatable.

4. He has many different tools to switch up between. It's similar to Arrow and Ares in that he was designed to have gaps and designed to have ways around them. Only difference is that he has more ways to mix it up.

5. Again, this is the worst point and there is no way you kan konvince me that it's horrible when I've tried out Ares as a hidden main for such a good amount of time.

TEH CHONGZ replied above but I have a couple of points to add:
If he was designed to be jumping they shouldn't have given him a jump with a bad arc and a very, VERY slow start-up. Also they shouldn't have made Wingdings negative on everything.

Personally I think KF's mixups are reactable to some extent and NW doesnt even come close to her so imagine how I feel about his mixups lol.

 

[Red Reaper]

1.JB3 isn't an anti air, it's an air to air and you don't get a followup.
2. uhhhhhhhhhh, u wot m8
3. The thing is you don't even have to be able to react to them. Just block high in escrima and the most you're taking is like 12%
4.
5. U wot m8?

I didn't realize you actually said something until I read my quote.. lol.

1. It pretty much works like an Anti-Air since it hits them out with less risk in a good amount of match ups. It's speed, priority, and hitbox are what make it better than other air to airs. Jump Back 3 kan go into WingDings for nice damage, especially when you take into account the fact that D2's scale so you wouldn't be getting that much damage off a D2 anyway.

2. Gonna not look up that lingo...

3. You take more than 12% after things like MB Flip Kick.

TEH CHONGZ replied above but I have a couple of points to add:
If he was designed to be jumping they shouldn't have given him a jump with a bad arc and a very, VERY slow start-up. Also they shouldn't have made Wingdings negative on everything.

Personally I think KF's mixups are reactable to some extent and NW doesnt even come close to her so imagine how I feel about his mixups lol.

I think he has a good jump Arch, It's low enough to where you kan katch people off guard. It's actually very similar to Harley's... He's just taller, so it's harder to tell.

Wingdings should be negative. They do good chip and they break armor... Solid damage for a projectile too!

 

[RIF]

They won't fix this......but Sinestro Needs Nerfs, right?

 

[Chongo]

@Red Reaper like I said, just block high in escrima since flipkick is an overhead. His only low options are d3, b13, and u3d3 (lol)

 

[Fred Marvel]

Probably the same reason his MB B3 has 2 hits.

All seriousness, I'm not crying for Manhunter to be banned or that he's broken...but I honestly don't understand how the hell he makes any kind of sense from a balancing perspective. Most characters in the game have some kind of observable weakness like poor wakeups or weak zoning, but it feels like with Manhunter NRS almost specifically designed him the best character in the game. I can't help but feel like if this were a Capcom game he would be balanced out by having Seth level health.

they did design him to be he best in the game i thought that was common knowledge
same way they did with Superman Aquaman Batman and Black Adam. im sure they purposely made Joker the worst as well

 

[Red Reaper]

@Braindead @RM Chongo

I'll try him out if I have a chance during kasuals next time.. If I feel like I've been wrong this whole time then I'll kome klean about it. Otherwise, I really don't know what I would be able to do to prove to you guys that he doesn't suck. Maybe if Guamo wasn't so gimmicky or if Xblades still played.. =/

 

[Braindead]

@Braindead @RM Chongo

I'll try him out if I have a chance during kasuals next time.. If I feel like I've been wrong this whole time then I'll kome klean about it. Otherwise, I really don't know what I would be able to do to prove to you guys that he doesn't suck. Maybe if Guamo wasn't so gimmicky or if Xblades still played.. =/

I'd love to stay and discuss this more since you really know how to discuss stuff (you state facts and try to prove stuff not just NW IS OP HE HAS A 6-FRAME D1 shit) but it's 12:30 AM here and I need to sleep lol.

 

[Red Reaper]

I'd love to stay and discuss this more since you really know how to discuss stuff (you state facts and try to prove stuff not just NW IS OP HE HAS A 6-FRAME D1 shit) but it's 12:30 AM here and I need to sleep lol.

Maybe it's because I did main the character before, even if it was for a brief period.. lol.

 

[Shaazzyam]

@Braindead @RM Chongo

I'll try him out if I have a chance during kasuals next time.. If I feel like I've been wrong this whole time then I'll kome klean about it. Otherwise, I really don't know what I would be able to do to prove to you guys that he doesn't suck. Maybe if Guamo wasn't so gimmicky or if Xblades still played.. =/

You're sorta right. He needs a couple fixes tho. But he isn't bad.

 

[Laos_boy]

Zatannas 1 used to be 5 frames

 

[DevilMaySpy]

Just follow the flowchart and enjoy yourself
http://imgur.com/fBgXZ0l