Crying for nerfs/buffs.

[Niflheim]

I agree with MasterHavik....we don't need a UMK9, or else NRS will look like a follower of capcom with ~$30-$40 "updates"
Right now the game is pretty balanced. Almost every character can compete, with the outliers being Stryker, Sheeva, and Quan-Chi(crap characters mostly), with Kung Lao and Raiden(top tier, though with the patches this is going down....). These characters are probably the only ones with the need of balancing patches, versus glitch patching.
But yes, as HurlingDervish said, there is many, many strings for lower tier characters that are near useless, with nothing to combo into, sometimes not even a grab. And then there's, arguably, the worst button mapping of all special moves: CSZ's medium bomb. I can't think of any other bad button mapping for other character(Maybe Shang Tsung's close ground fireball....but it's still usable). But otherwise, the game is fairly good. I have less issues with this game's balance vs. the button mapping, but then again, nobody I play with uses the broken low tier and broken high tier.

 

[shura30]

beside matchup issues (there will always be some in fgt games) my biggest complaint is the lack of rules such as fast startup, slow recovery - viceversa, random hitboxes, lack of frame information
all of this beside strict character rebalancing

some examples for the random hitboxes statement:

Kabal's f4 after JK~aGB
Cage's db1 after 32f2 dash f3 (f3 too)
Csz xray

and so on

 

[CptXecution]

WTF?
You honestly cant think of one nerf buff to make the game more balanced?

We dont need a new move set we need things more fair.
Do we need a new game? probably not but if they cant do it in the patches i hope there is a new game.

ONLY game at EVO to have a VERY diverse top 8 and even more diverse top 9 with the players that tied for 9th. Yes as balanced as it could PROBABLY be. Obviously this next patch is needed. I'm even for getting rid of the push back on KL's spin.

 

[silva_777]

if the game is balanced NRS wouldnt be releasing another patch.

 

[CptXecution]

if the game is balanced NRS wouldnt be releasing another patch.

HENCE THE "PROBABLY AS CAN BE"

 

[shura30]

i don't know why people keep saying that since EVO showed different characters mk9 is fairly balanceed

there was just a nice pick among high tiers
Lao, Kabal, Kitana, Reptile, Raiden, Cage, Mileena, Liu kang and so on

and i can't really understand why this is recognized as a balance symptom

baraka?stryker?sheeva?jade?quanchi?sindel?

i'd like for players to look at the matchup chart and see the gap between top and low ones

 

[CptXecution]

i don't know why people keep saying that since EVO showed different characters mk9 is fairly balanceed

there was just a nice pick among high tiers
Lao, Kabal, Kitana, Reptile, Raiden, Cage, Mileena, Liu kang and so on

and i can't really understand why this is recognized as a balance symptom

Scorion, Jax, Mileena? Not top tier not to mention Mileena being in the GF and resetting the set against a KL and quite frankly I was rooting for REO.

 

[shura30]

Scorion, Jax, Mileena? Not top tier not to mention Mileena being in the GF and resetting the set against a KL and quite frankly I was rooting for REO.

ehm
mileena is an actual high tier

beside that there's player skill in tournaments
please stop evaluating tiers with tournament results

show more love for matchup charts

 

[CptXecution]

ehm
mileena is an actual high tier

beside that there's player skill in tournaments
please stop evaluating tiers with tournament results

show more love for matchup charts

I've got love for the matchup charts lol which is why I refered to the GF at EVO to prove it's player skill and not just the matchup.

 

[chessmaster]

There's nothing wrong with suggesting reasonable improvements. What do you want Sheeva and Stryker players to do? Be content that their characters suck?

honestly i would not be mad at all if sheeva stayed at the bottom of the tier list. i do think besides kung lao the game is perfectly balanced.

 

[chessmaster]

if the game is balanced NRS wouldnt be releasing another patch.

anybody actually know what the next patch is for?

 

[Gamin_Guru]

I agree with MasterHavik....we don't need a UMK9, or else NRS will look like a follower of capcom with ~$30-$40 "updates"
Right now the game is pretty balanced. Almost every character can compete, with the outliers being Stryker, Sheeva, and Quan-Chi(crap characters mostly), with Kung Lao and Raiden(top tier, though with the patches this is going down....). These characters are probably the only ones with the need of balancing patches, versus glitch patching.
But yes, as HurlingDervish said, there is many, many strings for lower tier characters that are near useless, with nothing to combo into, sometimes not even a grab. And then there's, arguably, the worst button mapping of all special moves: CSZ's medium bomb. I can't think of any other bad button mapping for other character(Maybe Shang Tsung's close ground fireball....but it's still usable). But otherwise, the game is fairly good. I have less issues with this game's balance vs. the button mapping, but then again, nobody I play with uses the broken low tier and broken high tier.

I completely agree with the button mapping on a few special moves. It should be more consistent. Shang's skulls are not a problem for me, but then you have Sektor's missiles and CSZ's bombs with strange inputs. Dont know if NRS wants to change them this far from release, but I wouldnt mind.

 

[MarkyX]

Every fighting game has good and bad characters, just the way it is. We can't make them all good. Like I said...they can't just give them a new move set. The game is about as balanced as it can probably be.

Why can't they make them all good?

 

[JacopeX]

I have been a Liu Kang player since I began playing MK and trust me...getting my ass kicked is second nature to me now. It is pretty unfamiliar to me when I see people talk about tiers and nerfs/buffs when back in 98 at only 7 years old I had to deal with Smoke, Ermac, and Kabal players with Liu Kang and I was lucky to get a win. There was nothing you can do. We all had to deal with it. The reason why I kept going was the challenge of the game it can have and how to deal with bad match ups. It's so exciting when I beat Smoke in umk3 with Liu Kang...XD

I guess people bitch more now days because games can now be patched. They never learned in the old days...That's what you call a scrub. Sorry...=(

 

[TrickyNick]

Yea my personal opinion no character needs to be nerfed..yes even kung lao. Instead of a nerf they should buff the characters that truly need it. By that i mean Sheeva, Baraka, Sindel, Stryker...they should fix these characters . I beleive Stryker is actually getting a buff on the next fix if I remember right one of the NRS guys said so last thursday on Valley Streams Monsters. Just a minor buff on these characters would help tons.

Why can't Baraka's EX blade charge go full screen like Cage Flash Kick? Its a minor buff that would help alot.

Once again guys just my thoughts try not to bash me to hard for it lol.

 

[Theme]

YEAH! I AGREE WITH OP!!! Oh wait... Some have good match ups and some have bad, some have more good than bad, what about the all good no bad? Such as Kung Lao

 

[Loot]

YEAH! I AGREE WITH OP!!! Oh wait... Some have good match ups and some have bad, some have more good than bad, what about the all good no bad? Such as Kung Lao

Kitana counters KL, etc

 

[RagingNight]

fighting games will always have bad matchups/good matchups, it is the nature of the game. When you have characters that are different, you will always get different results when they face each other.

The only way fighting games will ever be 100% balance is if they were nothing but copies of one character.

 

[dribirut]

everythings great as is.. just one more nerf to kung lao and it will be perfect and maybe scale down cyraxdamage but thats it

 

[SilverKeyMan]

I would like to see one buff only... make Baraka immune to Kung Lao's spin.

-SKM (trolls)

 

[MagicMan357]

buff kanos combos and ill be happy

 

[Reedoms]

Just need some tweaks on Noob. That's all I'm asking for.

 

[BookBurning]

There is not one fighting game in existence that is perfectly balanced and people crying about balance issues in this game to the extent that they're saying "It's unbalanced" is completely idiotic.

Every fighting game in history has had their top tier characters, it's just the way things work out; Sagat in Vanilla Street Fighter was just ridiculous yet you rarely saw people constantly whining about him, all. the. time. Yet alot of people here seem to think that because a character is top tier that there is something wrong with the balancing of this game. Sorry to burst your bubbles but that is not the case. I mean compare this games variety of characters in the top 8 to other games. Hello? Wake the fuck up. It was more varied in MK9.

 

[blues686]

Tom Brady started it...

hahahahahaha! wow this is sooo funny, its like you have a personal vendetta against brady for all his neg talk about subzero.. lol

 

[Reedoms]

There is not one fighting game in existence that is perfectly balanced and people crying about balance issues in this game to the extent that they're saying "It's unbalanced" is completely idiotic.

Every fighting game in history has had their top tier characters, it's just the way things work out; Sagat in Vanilla Street Fighter was just ridiculous yet you rarely saw people constantly whining about him, all. the. time. Yet alot of people here seem to think that because a character is top tier that there is something wrong with the balancing of this game. Sorry to burst your bubbles but that is not the case. I mean compare this games variety of characters in the top 8 to other games. Hello? Wake the fuck up. It was more varied in MK9.

What about Virtua Fighter?