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EMPEROR_JUPITER wins Injustice at Break Weekly #240 + Tournament Footage!

LanceMonsoon

All in on Johnny Football
yeah you probably have to use some of his other amazing tools and not rely too much on zoning against such a mobile character like shazam.
You make it sound like MMH is Kabal with this whole 6:4's the cast talk. I'm guessing you have 0 knowledge of the character, if you think Lex is just "lol whats armor gonna do". The butt hurt is real. But it's whatever and shoutout to @Sajam your MMH looked awesome tonight! Was worried the west coast was gonna have no offline MU knowledge of MMH when we got to SCR.
 
You make it sound like MMH is Kabal with this whole 6:4's the cast talk. I'm guessing you have 0 knowledge of the character, if you think Lex is just "lol whats armor gonna do". The butt hurt is real. But it's whatever and shoutout to @Sajam your MMH looked awesome tonight! Was worried the west coast was gonna have no offline MU knowledge of MMH when we got to SCR.
have you seen lex play mmh at high levels on both sides????
 

derOeler

Death comes to all!
Lex's armor does not care about overhead teleport. He can raw back 3 on hit.
Lex's armor does not care about orbs. He can still set up gadgets.
Lex's armor does not have to respect Martian's obstacle course. However, Manhunter has to respect his.

We've only seen this match played once at the "HIGHEST POSSIBLE LEVEL..." and a premier Manhunter, Jupiter, admits he struggles in this matchup, so lets not jump to conclusions about a solid matchup number.



Does Lex have Armor all the time? No. A solid mmh will not tele twice after eating a raw b3 (talking about highest possible level ;))

Ok, so Lex is not fucked. Does that mean he beats mmh? No.
He has possible 5:5s. Thank god.


And again, dont get me wrong Jupiter is a great player from what I saw.
 
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derOeler

Death comes to all!
You make it sound like MMH is Kabal with this whole 6:4's the cast talk. I'm guessing you have 0 knowledge of the character, if you think Lex is just "lol whats armor gonna do". The butt hurt is real. But it's whatever and shoutout to @Sajam your MMH looked awesome tonight! Was worried the west coast was gonna have no offline MU knowledge of MMH when we got to SCR.
lol what. calm down.

Dude I'm Jupiters brother I've seen him lose to Revolver at the break and PPJ at NEC lol. I've also seen REO vs Revolver at DTN on stream. I've seen Jupiter play almost every MU at high levels.
So you saw mmh not owning another character and your brother getting outplayed by excellent players.
That proofs ......(to use your lovely word) zero.
Stop the downplaying. Srsly.

I might exaggerate some things about mmh, but he is a real force. I think people do not see that jupiter hasnt explored mmh that deep. He plays him great but not fully fledged by a long shot. There is so much more dirt with this character.
I dont see that coming for other top tiers.

But we may agree to disagree.
But stop the anal stuff you have goin. Im not into that, honey :cool:
 

Mr Aquaman

Armored Launcher
Administrator
Why would he lose? Ever..
(And I may remind you we´re talking tools not players. So what does lex have on mmh. Armor? lol plz...)
Do you follow majors?
Ppj beat Jupiter at nec, lex v mmh, rev 100% of the time beats or loses to mmh wether it's rep, Jupiter or rebelo, hold that
 

Mr Aquaman

Armored Launcher
Administrator
Until mmh places, oh yeah reo twice so far, how silly of me, mmh players need to step it up or all this talk of how broke he is really is a waste of breath. Character specialists will rule igau
 

derOeler

Death comes to all!
Do you follow majors?
Ppj beat Jupiter at nec, lex v mmh, rev 100% of the time beats or loses to mmh wether it's rep, Jupiter or rebelo, hold that
Read again. Tools in a mu, not players. ppj is excellent (And i hold that with pleasure), but what does that proof? lol
Keep it rational, think and argue for yourself instead of tellin me a mu is defined by a best of x that some excellent player won against some great player.
that would be nice.

edit: yes i watch most of them.
 

LanceMonsoon

All in on Johnny Football
lol what. calm down.



So you saw mmh not owning another character and your brother getting outplayed by excellent players.
That proofs ......(to use your lovely word) zero.
Stop the downplaying. Srsly.

I might exaggerate some things about mmh, but he is a real force. I think people do not see that jupiter hasnt explored mmh that deep. He plays him great but not fully fledged by a long shot. There is so much more dirt with this character.
I dont see that coming for other top tiers.

But we may agree to disagree.
But stop the anal stuff you have goin. Im not into that, honey :cool:
Was gonna type a long response to this but I think I'll just pull a Playing2Win and stop responding to no name scrubs who know nothing about this game.
 
Dude I'm Jupiters brother I've seen him lose to Revolver at the break and PPJ at NEC lol. I've also seen REO vs Revolver at DTN on stream. I've seen Jupiter play almost every MU at high levels.
you should know lex give mmh a hard time to get In . he has to many gadgets . and plus trait lol . and revolver is more aggressive then ppj . ppj was calm the whole time .. im getting in touch with kurving karma . so Jupiter can prove that mmh can beat lex . cause lex is a pain in the ass
 

derOeler

Death comes to all!
Was gonna type a long response to this but I think I'll just pull a Playing2Win and stop responding to no name scrubs who know nothing about this game.
awwww. the weak exit...

Slightly arrogant dont you think big boy?
Nevermind, enjoy your p2w exit and dont waste your time having an actual discussion.
 

trufenix

bye felicia
awwww. the weak exit...

Slightly arrogant dont you think big boy?
Nevermind, enjoy your p2w exit and dont waste your time having an actual discussion.
what discussion? All you've contributed is "it doesn't matter if he's never won before, he will".
 

derOeler

Death comes to all!
what discussion? All you've contributed is "it doesn't matter if he's never won before, he will".
This gets lame..

Ok. Listen.
To evaluate tools against tools is a coreprinciple. I try to get the conversation to go more in that direction, but noone else who replies seems to be interested.

You "argue" like the game is 3 Evos old and results actually have a major weight in the evaluation of mus.
I tell you my opinion and would like to discuss why mmh is not the best character in this game.

If you also had to wait till Cyrax had won Evo to acknowledge that he is broken and the only real cure to Kabal ("I 7:3 the cast"), than its obvious why you dont get why this is worth looking deeper into. ;)


For now, unless someone finally doesnt get all childish about results not beeing the only aspect, i will wait for you too see yourself what monster they left behind.:coffee:
 

Mr Aquaman

Armored Launcher
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I ranted on my cell and f spell check, beats or loses by a hit. Point is if the character has no losing mus he shouldn't lose correct?
 

trufenix

bye felicia
This gets lame..

Ok. Listen.
To evaluate tools against tools is a coreprinciple. I try to get the conversation to go more in that direction, but noone else who replies seems to be interested.
The hypothetical application of tools in use "someday" can't be used to call either character better. All we have is the application of tools as they exist historically, and right now, Lex beats MMH. We have nothing but proof of that.

You "argue" like the game is 3 Evos old and results actually have a major weight in the evaluation of mus.
I tell you my opinion and would like to discuss why mmh is not the best character in this game.
There is no shortage of MU information available for Injustice. This is not a week one, month one speculation. This is based on the results and opinions of character specialists. If both REO and Jupiter can steamroll a tourney with MMH and then hit a brick wall of a Lex, its a pretty condemning evidence. Is it enough to cast the eternal tier list of Injustice in stone? Perhaps no, but it is enough to make an educated guess.

If you also had to wait till Cyrax had won Evo to acknowledge that he is broken and the only real cure to Kabal ("I 7:3 the cast"), than its obvious why you dont get why this is worth looking deeper into. ;)
For starters, Cyrax isn't the cure to Kabal. That's a delusion. DJT was the cure for Kabal. Second, Cyrax being top tier is WELL documented, it has been a constant since day one. No one who follows MK was surprised that it was a Cyrax player who had the chops to put down a solid Kabal. A surprise would've been if Sub Zero or Stryker did it.

Lastly, no one is arguing against the application or pursuit of knowledge. The game will evolve, tech will be found, and matchups will change, but arguing a matchup on "potential" over real actual results is insane. No competition has EVER been won on paper.

For now, unless someone finally doesnt get all childish about results not beeing the only aspect, i will wait for you too see yourself what monster they left behind.:coffee:
Its smug self-absorbed comments like this that devolve the conversation. Stay positive.
 

dribirut

BLAK FELOW
I really like your gameplay but if I have any advice, its that I realllyyyy suggest you end your combos in the phase charge
 

derOeler

Death comes to all!
Was gonna type a long response to this but I think I'll just pull a Playing2Win and stop responding to no name scrubs who know nothing about this game.
Roflmao..APEX
Fate strikes hard on this fella. :cool::p
Almost feel bad for you son...but I have to pull a LanceMonsoon on you and type with satisfaction:
I hate to say i told you so, but I TOLD YOU SO.
lol

Better talk tools and potential with nonamescrubs next time and spare us the arrogance.:coffee:
Lesson learned or sum"random one liner" incoming?
Yeah, better ignore and move on huh..
 

derOeler

Death comes to all!
The hypothetical application of tools in use "someday" can't be used to call either character better. All we have is the application of tools as they exist historically, and right now, Lex beats MMH. We have nothing but proof of that.



There is no shortage of MU information available for Injustice. This is not a week one, month one speculation. This is based on the results and opinions of character specialists. If both REO and Jupiter can steamroll a tourney with MMH and then hit a brick wall of a Lex, its a pretty condemning evidence. [...]
I could just give you the apex-hammer... :REO:DOGE

OK srs. Your points are valid, BUT: Half of em were never questioned nor mentioned by me.

I respect your view on the present situation. For example the conclusion that Lex beats MMH: You can argue like that.. but: its NOT pretty condemning evidence. You just typed that, because its your opinion.

I see it as: a very good player (jupiter) who plays the absolute #1 character in the game who wasnt familiar with a potential 5:5 mu and losing to an excellent player using lex luthor, a zoner who gets zoned easily by batgirl (lol), but happens to have the tools to make the mmh mu even.
Same or similar goes for reo.


Your other points about being rational are solid and i may have to calm down with the "brokenness" of mmh.

Nevertheless: It is not insane to discuss future potential of a character that just recently fell into the hands of the best mk player there was and jupiter, who makes very impressive appearances, when you also argue that recent results are enough to make an educated guess.

Or if you insist on insanity.
Lets be insane and "speculate" on the "potential" (god forbid) of this overpowered mess they left behind, called Martian "I 6:4 the cast" Manhunter (He obviously has 7:3s, so some 5:5 dont bother his average value of 6:4ing the cast).

And I might be allowed to say: Apex.
Hold dat! ;)
 
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Mr Aquaman

Armored Launcher
Administrator
because jupiter apparently didnt know a 5:5 mu well enough to defeat a top-player.
plz...

also: apex.
nuff said.
whats your exp in the MU, and your living vicariously through a good player because you suck dick at igau. I have accomplished more with a bottom 2 character. I hold nothing.