EVO 2011 MK STREAM

[Dark_Rob]

First I have to say congratulations to every single person who competed in MK9 at EVO. From pools all the way up to grand finals everyone put on a spectacular display and you were all part of a great victory for Mortal Kombat.
Also the top 8 was amazing. From Jop to Denzel, 16 bit, Atl redd,Online Tony and Chris G, all of them put on an amazing show.
Perfect Legend vs REO may have been the hypest most intense set of matches Ive ever watched.

Perfect Legend, I tip my hat to you sir. You won an amazing victory and defeated someone who I consider the best MK player alive today in Reo. You are the first ever EVO MK champion and no one can ever take that away from you. A truly amazing performance and a hard fought victory. Congratulations Perfect Legend.

*Side note* For some of you who dont know, Reo is a personal friend of mine. So to Reo I just want to say, Man I am so proud of you. You fought so hard, harder than Ive ever seen anyone fight before. I was rooting so hard for you and screaming my head off like a maniac after every round you won.
It wasnt in the cards for you today but I know this loss will only make you stronger. Ive said it before and Il say it again, in my opinion you are the single best MK player alive today.
I remember the first time I ever brought you to a tournament, and Ive watched you grow and perservere and push yourself to ever further heights. Your one of the classiest dudes I know and Im proud to call you my friend.

Everyone here should remember what REO and Perfect Legend did this day. They put Mortal Kombat on the map, they put us on the map.

 

[Asodimazze]

Mad props to REO! I really loved your Mileena
Just a little disappointed when you picked Cyrax, because I expected JC.

 

[Mt. Mutombo]

I just hope that in the drug tests PL testes positive for steroids and give the title to reo lol.

 

[Abudabi]

post party evo stream going on right now at silent1, please announce to main page

 

[shura30]

another thing to remember was the audience screaming "mortal mokbat mortal kombat" during that BS of ttt2 5v5

it's a sign that people want to see this game on big screens and next time it deserves more ando more attention even during pools


btw i really would like to see gameplay improvements from top tiers
too many errors from PL REO and the others
stuff that you barely see from sf tops ad example

PL threw out so many random spins and REO kept abusing teleports that are easily punished (spin) by lao

great event, great victory kudos bla bla bla
but nex time please show improvements and i hope for other players such as jop who put tops in very dangerous situations

 

[sleepykyo]

From REO himself lol.


Have we watched the same matches? REO punished almost EVERYTHING. But everytime he punished the Spin, PL had a breaker. Of course PL had a breaker. Kung Lao builds so much meter with his mixups on block it's ridiculous lol.

And about the low hat/overhead it's very hard to fuzzy guard against it because KL can interrupt it for a throw, jump or overhead which isn't that easy to react to when you've committed yourself to blocking low.

He did not punish almost everything and especially not with max damage.
- A couple of times the roll came out as standing 4. Other times he punished with dash up throw instead of roll (choosing the 12 over the 30% punish).

And he didn't block low very often. On the second set he was frequently taking 3 or more low hats and a many as 7 around the 3 min mark of the second youtube vid. Sometimes it is better to just take the overhead or the throw to catch a breather. Basically he was blocking high due to fear of the overheard when the low hat is actually the bigger threat.

And he didn't cancel any of the anti-air d+4s into a special move. KL may be too high for a roll, but the bite actually has a fairly large hitbox and active window.

Before any counters with the "REO would body me" line. Yes, he would. I'm not a tourney level player. That doesn't change the fact that tourney level players are working option selects into their gameplay and realize that sometimes taking the throw or overhead is a valid strat.

 

[shura30]

Basically he was blocking high due to fear of the overheard when the low hat is actually the bigger threat.

and this is very wrong in high level play
overhead animatio can be spotted and reacted to with large anticipation it's punishable on block by everything
even on hit it's little damage but you still get out lao's pressing

Before any counters with the "REO would body me" line. Yes, he would. I'm not a tourney level player. That doesn't change the fact that tourney level players are working option selects into their gameplay and realize that sometimes taking the throw or overhead is a valid strat.

hype and satisfaction for mk being at evo blinded a lot of people here
everyone jump on the banwagon with kudos to everyone and everything

it's the bad stuff to be looked at now
low hat?then d1 and escape the pressure
random spin?come on, i expect that to be done by online players forced on reading not in an offline tournament between the best players even online you get beasted after

REO didn't do any of these <basic> gimmicks in a vs lao matchup
the cyrax switch was pointless and granted PL victory

usually for tournament you train ONE character with very rare exceptions like the raiden/cage guy PLUS REO's cage would have easily won evo

again, as with tom brady, poor choices made by experts

 

[Lyuben]

Stop complaining about the low hat thing. The 2,4 string from Kung Lao is such a powerful mix up that It sucks major balls. It is not a 50/50 its a ... 33/33/33, he can either: 2,4-throw, 2,4-overhead, 2,4-low

Try blocking 5000 of those and guessing right.

 

[shura30]

Stop complaining about the low hat thing. The 2,4 string from Kung Lao is such a powerful mix up that It sucks major balls. It is not a 50/50 its a ... 33/33/33, he can either: 2,4-throw, 2,4-overhead, 2,4-low

Try blocking 5000 of those and guessing right.

50% true but

throws are guaranteed choice because while holding block you can't escape

assuming that on opponent's block lao can choose only for the h/l mixup
the BEST choice is to always block low simply because the overhead is the easiest option to react to and the best thing to get damaged and pushed away from
and if you're still trying to guess a throw being low or high shouldn't change

PLUS PL was always going for the low hat
once you read this it's an even more stupid error to guess an overhead from kung lao

 

[mingzang]

REO's mileena is awesome , i love it . PL's kung lao is really good , but i hate kl's ground hat .

BTW , whats wrong with check , he hates TLantern , i know , but he hates REO , why >_> ???

 

[Lyuben]

REO's mileena is awesome , i love it . PL's kung lao is really good , but i hate kl's ground hat .

BTW , whats wrong with check , he hates TLantern , i know , but he hates REO , why >_> ???

Who knows. But they should have a grudge match.

 

[Crathen]

I'm with Shura , despite being a win for the hype at EVO it wasn't a really WELL PLAYED grandfinal nor some of the previous matches ( heck how many random jumps were in the Chris G vs REO matches?! Totally uneccaptable for HIGH level play ) , REO tried way too much random telekicks and ball rolls and they didn't play really smart matches , teleports not punished with uppercut?Heck no , i know that EX tele can be a problem but man if the opponent DOESNT have meter you should never be caught by a random tele , reaction AA? Just a few.... The good played matches were like Osu16 vs OnlineTony/JOP vs Chris G ( d1 and combo afterwards on the cross jump IS good ) tho JOP missed his main anti air B3 and instead he just uppercutted , man... Chris G on a dash spree was a big NONO , never saw an njp on a good guessed cross jump in the entire top 8 and i can go on forever.

Guys i know you are hyped for MK9 and EVO , but flaws are flaws and high level play is based around good guessing and taking less risks possible and i want to belive that top players will improve and wont do that random sh*t in about 3 months or.....facepalm....

anyways big shoutouts to really good and clean players : Osu 16 GREAT MATCHES! JOP was in the zone ( really good cage!)! And all of the rest of the tekken players! ( sigh Sektroll!!!!!)

 

[shura30]

the cyrax switch was pointless and granted PL victory

in addition to this
the very first feeling about this unexpected switch was REO taking a dive for PL

after the first net (or jumpin i can't remember now) i was hoping for some kind of cyrax BS reset into evo victory but he did less than 30% damage with this well, BS

 

[Asodimazze]

Do you guys think pro players are gods?
Even in the AE top 8 matches the players dropped combos and made mistakes.

 

[John Diablo]

hey asooooo! XD

:cheers:

 

[Crathen]

Do you guys think pro players are gods?
Even in the AE top 8 matches the players dropped combos and made mistakes.

Pro players don't randomly spin or ball/telekick at that rate , and we arent talking about AE ( way too much of an imbalanced game IMHO ) nor the SF players do that amount of mistakes , we arent only talking about combos too , im talking about the pace of the matches and the yomi mindgames , wich were almost non existant in addiction to mid punishing , hope i dont get hated for saying my honest opinion

 

[John Diablo]

well, you should also think about the situation... I guess it's not easy to concentrate during the EVO grand finals

a pro is a pro, but don't forget feelings <3

 

[Asodimazze]

Pro players don't randomly spin or ball/telekick at that rate , and we arent talking about AE ( way too much of an imbalanced game IMHO ) nor the SF players do that amount of mistakes , we arent only talking about combos too , im talking about the pace of the matches and the yomi mindgames , wich were almost non existant in addiction to mid punishing , hope i dont get hated for saying my honest opinion

The guys who played yesterday certainly are pro players and probably the best in the world too, so yes, they randomly spin/ball/telekick sometimes.
Anyway, the quality of the matches will raise, MK9 is still young.

 

[shura30]

The guys who played yesterday certainly are pro players and probably the best in the world too, so yes, they randomly spin/ball/telekick sometimes.

pro players don't spam or monkey rush stuff
because the pro player from the other side of the screen would rape him

pro player have a reason for each input plus they REACT fast and not prevent and fall for afterwards baits

 

[Slymind]

The guys who played yesterday certainly are pro players and probably the best in the world too, so yes, they randomly spin/ball/telekick sometimes.
Anyway, the quality of the matches will raise, MK9 is still young.

That's, what i think, mk players will need more time to futher refine their skills, MK is the newest fighting game around, only 3 month old, things will get better with time.

 

[SkiLLz-uK]

REO is a credit to the game itself, i love watching him play.. not taking anything away from PL as he has a bad ass KL, however considering KL is a bad match up for mileena i think REO deserves mad props for resetting the set and could of won it! REO got my up most respect going that far in a major with mileena and no one can take that shit away from him. IN my eyes he won evo by just doing this alone.

Shout outs to REOOOOO well played son!

 

[digitaldemize]

pro players don't spam or monkey rush stuff
because the pro player from the other side of the screen would rape him

pro player have a reason for each input plus they REACT fast and not prevent and fall for afterwards baits

Actually people often do spam/random shit. The idea is to put into the other guys head that you aren't completely predictable so they have to keep in mind you might just do something crazy. It's part of a mind game. Now you can argue that "doing something randomly to put pressure on the guy and he realizes you won't play text book" isn't completely random because he had a reason for doing it, but people still do it.

 

[spongebob]

Actually people often do spam/random shit. The idea is to put into the other guys head that you aren't completely predictable so they have to keep in mind you might just do something crazy. It's part of a mind game. Now you can argue that "doing something randomly to put pressure on the guy and he realizes you won't play text book" isn't completely random because he had a reason for doing it, but people still do it.

I agree being random isn't always a bad thing we saw this in the SF match were that korean guy (forget his name) beat Daigo very convincingly although it didn't work out for him later on. The grand finals and top 8 in general were amazing can't see how people have so much to criticise, nobody plays perfect and capitalises off of everything it was some very high level MK play.

Again being random isn't necessarily bad and I think a lot of people are mistaking what actually was and wasn't random. I don't have the time atm to rewatch the matches but I remember REO waking up with Mileena's roll a couple times and getting punished, it's all about reading your opponent not everything is as random as you think. After he was punished I recall seeing many times where a wake up roll would have landed but PL had already put fear into REO doing it and it let him follow up knockdowns with low hat an pressure a lot more often.

 

[digitaldemize]

I agree being random isn't always a bad thing we saw this in the SF match were that korean guy (forget his name) beat Daigo very convincingly although it didn't work out for him later on. The grand finals and top 8 in general were amazing can't see how people have so much to criticise, nobody plays perfect and capitalises off of everything it was some very high level MK play.

Again being random isn't necessarily bad and I think a lot of people are mistaking what actually was and wasn't random. I don't have the time atm to rewatch the matches but I remember REO waking up with Mileena's roll a couple times and getting punished, it's all about reading your opponent not everything is as random as you think. After he was punished I recall seeing many times where a wake up roll would have landed but PL had already put fear into REO doing it and it let him follow up knockdowns with low hat an pressure a lot more often.

The Korean guy wasn't actually being "random" those were all mix-ups and 50/50s. It was to his advantage to put Daigo in that situation.

The best random street fighter item is a random dragon punch. It's a very dangerous move to toss out there, you'll get killed for it. On the other hand it counters just about everything. So if you can put it in the other guys head that you're not afraid to just throw it the fuck out there, the other gun will be hesitant to do certain things because he knows you aren't afraid to do something stupid or ballsy. It really changes the mind games. That's why they keep talking about "he's respecting xyz too much", if you're respecting a dragon punch to much you aren't going to get in. The only way to make someone respect it is to just toss it the hell out there, but it comes with risks.

That sort of situation happens in all games though. Normally in certain situations you can safely not worry about an opponent doing X, because it would be done. But if he's crazy enough to go for it then all of a sudden X becomes another thing to worry about.

 

[shura30]

Actually people often do spam/random shit. The idea is to put into the other guys head that you aren't completely predictable so they have to keep in mind you might just do something crazy. It's part of a mind game.

gosh

Now you can argue that "doing something randomly to put pressure on the guy and he realizes you won't play text book" isn't completely random because he had a reason for doing it, but people still do it.

here it is
there's no randomness in strategies, only deception

a random midscreen spin (and really, after so many posts i'm tired of saying it) is a huge mistake because it's punishable and it should be right there!it's not strategic randomness it's BS!

and all those teleports punished by spin on block is called autopilot not strategy


i may be a nobody but i'm sure that this community need to grow a lot more before turning into serious shit