Sabrewulf is OP

[Lok0xXxSn1per5]

Sabrewulf needs his dash crossup, it's the only way he can cross you up for a mixup. His air priority and air game is bad, he's strictly ground based. He doesnt have any air normals that can cross you up on block so he cant set up anything ambiguous in the air after a knockdown. Everyone has some dirt not only sabrewulf. Jago has some braindead easy manuals, braindead easy frametraps, a full screen windkick that can punish people trying to get in desperately, A dp that has insane priority and can not only be instinct canceled, it can be canceled into a fireball to make it safe. I can go on and on. What about sadira. Sadira with instinct can chain normals back to back on block and keep you locked down if you dont have meter to shadow counter, her air game is ludicrous and keeps you constantly guessing which way to block with her dirty crossup setups. Glacius has his crazy keep away game and can always have an assist ready to interrupt you with his hail. Thunder has massive damage, one wrong guess and you're up shits creek. His dp has crazy priority and can even go through fireballs. You also have to react to his command grab and be worried about resets. On a knock down he can delay a jumping HP which is extremely ambiguous, you really cant tell if its going to cross up or not, then you have to worry about the block pressure that comes next or the tick throw. Orchid has her insane instinct pressure and her 50/50 overhead low game. She's also not the easiest to break. Everyone has dirt atm. I suggest people just play it out and not turn this game into another NRS shitfest with dumb nerfs and buffs. Luckily if DH has any common sense they'll ignore all these nerf requests.

Nice text wall bro.

 

[Lok0xXxSn1per5]

I don't care about the game, but if Sabrewulf gets nerfed and you make the thread, I'll like it.

M2scrub you should be all in favor to nerfing a rushdown char... What are you doing. This thread was meant to be made by you, even if you dont play the game.

Now in return you gotta make a "Glacius is mediocre" thread!

 

[Rickyraws]

You guys are here arguing and complaining about Sabrewulf when the real discussion should lie upon the discussion on Saberrider

Sometimes I wonder if I failed you as a parent...

 

[Tony at Home]

I find funny all this retards calling Cdjr, Fchamp, PRbalrog, Jwong scrubs and that they need more time in the lab?... Do you have any idea of who this dudes are? Of course not, most of you started playing fighters when Inj came out lol.

Jwong says Wulf is OP, but also stated people aren't playing the matchup as well as they can be at the moment. That's true.

As evidenced by the fact no one is actually stating what makes Sabrewulf a great character. I do believe he's the best character, but no one's stated why exactly. People just go to the big obvious things, his dash, his throw, his frame traps.

It seems as if it never occurred to anyone screaming OP that Sabrewulf has the BEST KNOCKDOWN SWEEP IN THE GAME. Seriously, why hasn't anyone brought up this? Both Sabrewulf crouching medium punch and crouching medium kick are also 5 frames on startup, which is unique among the entire cast.

It's obvious people have not been playing the matchup well enough to force Sabrewulf players to bring out our best tools yet.

I can't say for certain that Sabrewulf is OP or not, only time will tell.

But I CAN say for certain that right now, it's clear even Pro's are not playing the matchup as well as they can. Only when they get to that point, and still have too many issues, should they come to that conclusion. But right now, it's way too early.

 

[Lok0xXxSn1per5]

I mean, I'm just gonna fight it out against the cheap stuff and see what happens but you're lying to yourself if you think SW isn't cheap.

It's fine to use cheap shit, I try to do it as much as possible but you have to admit when something is stupid good or else you're a clown.


When I abused Green Lantern's vortex on people they would say "holy shit this is stupid" my response was always "lol yea he's fucked up"

never "well maybe you should stfu scrub and go learn how to defend against him"

don't be a clown.


EDIT: just an FYI, Justin Wong admits he's cheap

^^this...

 

[PND_Ketchup]

With all due respect, in that match which apparently showcases why Sabrewulf is OP because he beat Acidglow, Acidglow lost it for himself.

If you guess breaker the second you get hit, or just break incorrectly, it doesn't matter what character you're against at the time, you're going to get blown up.

I still don't know how people aren't even trying to neutral jump, these midscreen 50/50's" everyone is going on about gets blown up by neutral jumping and attacking on the way down, it's a free punish.

I'm not being biased, but as someone who plays more than just Sabrewulf, I honestly don't see what makes him a clear cut above every other character in the whole game in terms of bullshit. It just feels like if enough people complain about a character, that character will instantly be the best. Need I remind everyone that Jax was once considered S tier? lol.

 

[PND_Ketchup]

With all due respect, in that match which apparently showcases why Sabrewulf is OP because he beat Acidglow, Acidglow lost it for himself.

If you guess breaker the second you get hit, or just break incorrectly, it doesn't matter what character you're against at the time, you're going to get blown up.

I still don't know how people aren't even trying to neutral jump, these midscreen 50/50's" everyone is going on about gets blown up by neutral jumping and attacking on the way down, it's a free punish.

I'm not being biased, but as someone who plays more than just Sabrewulf, I honestly don't see what makes him a clear cut above every other character in the whole game in terms of bullshit. Even though he's a very dangerous character. It just feels like if enough people complain about a character, that character will instantly be the best. Need I remind everyone that Jax was once considered S tier? lol.

 

[Lok0xXxSn1per5]

With all due respect, in that match which apparently showcases why Sabrewulf is OP because he beat Acidglow, Acidglow lost it for himself.

If you guess breaker the second you get hit, or just break incorrectly, it doesn't matter what character you're against at the time, you're going to get blown up.

I still don't know how people aren't even trying to neutral jump, these midscreen 50/50's" everyone is going on about gets blown up by neutral jumping and attacking on the way down, it's a free punish.

I'm not being biased, but as someone who plays more than just Sabrewulf, I honestly don't see what makes him a clear cut above every other character in the whole game in terms of bullshit. It just feels like if enough people complain about a character, that character will instantly be the best. Need I remind everyone that Jax was once considered S tier? lol.

That match was clearly a bad example, Im not saying nerf him now, all I am saying is maybe he is a little to OP?

Edit: Jax is pretty fucking stupid regardless lol

 

[PND_Ketchup]

That match was clearly a bad example, Im not saying nerf him now, all I am saying is maybe he is a little to OP?

Edit: Jax is pretty fucking stupid regardless lol

It's too early to tell if a character is OP when people aren't playing against him 100% correct at the moment.

i have people sending me rage messages just because they let me wakeup shadow eclipse for crying out loud.

 

[Lok0xXxSn1per5]

It's too early to tell if a character is OP when people aren't playing against him 100% correct at the moment.

i have people sending me rage messages just because they let me wakeup shadow eclipse for crying out loud.

Ok lets keep playing then, shadow eclipse is no different than sf4 ryu dp. Just block and punish.

 

[G4S KT]

ok, so I just got done watching the break Injustice winners / grand finals from this week and I gotta say the shit that Martian Manhunter is capable of is just ludicrous.

Really puts Sabre into perspective. Thank fuck there's no nonsense like that in this game... yet...

 

[Lok0xXxSn1per5]

ok, so I just got done watching the break Injustice winners / grand finals from this week and I gotta say the shit that Martian Manhunter is capable of is just ludicrous.

Really puts Sabre into perspective. Thank fuck there's no nonsense like that in this game... yet...

"Yet"
Well said sir, Spinal is gonna bring the buthurt to a whole new level.

He has a projectile, a teleport, an projectile absorbing move kinda like a parry im guessing lol

 

[brizzle]

This is not a block infinite…

Crouching light punch after the bite will stuff Overpower.

Not a block infinite but a crLP will not get out I made the vid and tested thoroughly. There a 4 frame gap, crLP is 5 frames

 

[SHAOLIN]

Oh this thread is still open

 

[Tony at Home]

Not a block infinite but a crLP will not get out I made the vid and tested thoroughly. There a 4 frame gap, crLP is 5 frames

When did you make the video?

They actually did do some minor changes to some moves during the last patch (they were not detailed in patch notes). I just tested it and Glacius' cr.LP is 4 frame startup, and it is getting out of the trap. It's possible DH noticed it and fixed it.

But yeah, I tested it again and again and I can get out of it with Glacius' cr.LP

 

[brizzle]

When did you make the video?

They actually did do some minor changes to some moves during the last patch (they were not detailed in patch notes). I just tested it and Glacius' cr.LP is 4 frame startup, and it is getting out of the trap. It's possible DH noticed it and fixed it.

But yeah, I tested it again and again and I can get out of it with Glacius' cr.LP

Apparently from what I'm told the in game frame data is just the start up. You gotta add one frame to everything. So a crLP is 5 frames and a overpower is 8 frames. With crLK being plus 4 on block there's a 4 frame gap vs a 5 frame jab. Even if you don't add the extra frame an overpower would be 7 frames leaving a 3 frame gap beating out a 4 frame jab. I tested after the patch. I tried to show numerous attempts at me trying to poke out with crLP and throws, they don't get out

 

[Lok0xXxSn1per5]

The KI forums were dead, my job is done here!

 

[miloPKL]

more like saberpoof lolololololololol

 

[AcidGlow]

Here's my contribution to this topic.

 

[Lok0xXxSn1per5]

Here's my contribution to this topic.

Kinda late to the party!

 

[Doombawkz]

I don't think Sabre is that bad, but then again I play Sadira so I can ignore a lot of his shenanigans.

 

[AcidGlow]

Kinda late to the party!

Nah. Never too late to contribute to a conversation if you have points to discuss.

 

[Doombawkz]

Nah. Never too late to contribute to a conversation if you have points to discuss.

Its just that video was already posted. Like in the first few replies.

 

[Lok0xXxSn1per5]

Nah. Never too late to contribute to a conversation if you have points to discuss.

I know but it could have been so much better from thr beggining, now less people will watch your youtube clip.

 

[brizzle]

Here's my contribution to this topic.

Dude isn't jagos uppercut also 0 frames. Yes it is. Let's talk about that full screen combo starting low invincible wind kick. Go on tell me jagos losing matchups. He has none