Why I'm glad I bought a PS4 & Not an Xbone

[Raidenwins]

OP, good write-up. God, I hate ads. I hate them so much that I canceled my cable TV 7 years ago mainly because of them. And now they are finding their way on game consoles! Argh! The likehood of me getting an Xbox One just got a little closer to zero. Not to mention the mandatory Kinnect (wtf!), the higher price for inferior hardware, the greater emphasis on the social junk, and what is up with Microsoft's obsession with taking over our living rooms. I don't need some power brick to run my cable TV through (assuming I had one, which I don't). If I want to watch TV shows, I log in to Netflix on my PS3, for free. As for the games, I don't like Halo and Gears of War. Everything else is on PS3/PS4, in addition to a bunch of awesome exclusives that I can't play anywhere else.

Why can't Microsoft understand one thing, I just want to play games. Period. End of story. I don't want to check my Facebook, I don't want to wave my arms in the air in the middle of the living room like an idiot, I don't want to be forced to have Internet connection, and I definitely DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY FREAKING ADS ON MY GAME CONSOLE.

Yup, my decision just became that much easier. Come early 2014, I am getting me a PS4.

 

[Fred Marvel]

Why can't Microsoft understand one thing, I just want to play games. Period. End of story. I don't want to check my Facebook, I don't want to wave my arms in the air in the middle of the living room like an idiot, I don't want to be forced to have Internet connection, and I definitely DON'T WANT TO SEE ANY FREAKING ADS ON MY GAME CONSOLE.

Yup, my decision just became that much easier. Come early 2014, I am getting me a PS4.

this x10000000000000000
it seemed like xbox's big thing was "hey you can use skype from your xbox or watch tv etc" and none of that shit matters, when xbone was announced it looked like smoke and mirrors and a bunch of unnecessary bs i just want a better gaming console with better games.

 

[AK Black Preon]

I bought xbox 360 for halo. Now i buy xb1 for ki3. Keeping it simple

I just can't buy a console for one game especially if lacks in the content department. But I do know the feeling of "Damn, that right there. You see it? Yeah I'm having that." regardless of the logical sense behind it. However is there any future Xbox One game that has been announced that you can't wait for?

 

[ZigZag]

Wtf is a Killer instict?

I'm buying Xbox one for Halo 5.

 

[AK Black Preon]

I wish when people make these threads they look at it from a Game Developer point of view. It's easy to sit there and whine, MS' intention as a whole was to move the market forward in the long run.

But then again people asked for Paulo to lose his job so I'm not that impressed on how far people research into this debate.

I understand what they were trying to do. Attempting to give some game developers more tools to work with for the current generation. By proxy enhancing the gamer's experience by allowing the Xbone to multi-task and do things alongside the game. And also I hear that they are making it very easy for any Xbox One to convert to a dev kit. Which is pretty sweet for the independent groups out there. However I'm talking about from the consumer point of view. I'm the consumer not a developer. If Toyota makes a car and finds a way to improve performance but decrease safety and it furthers competition of the whole Car market. Sure that's fine from the market perspective. Hell it might even pull Scion and Nissan up a level since competition is always good especially in an automotive landscape. But if this small change benefits the market but is the direct source of a car issue that leads to stalls/accidents/consumer complaints it should be addressed. No matter how well it effects a market or a companies ideals.

Because remember Toyota is still the #1 Automaker but they're still prone to Bad news. Also we have noticed that when companies act upon behalf of a self-serving manner or taking care of their own. The consumer base does not have a good uptrend matching that of the corporations beneficiaries.

 

[Euphoric]

I understand what they were trying to do. Attempting to give some game developers more tools to work with for the current generation. By proxy enhancing the gamer's experience by allowing the Xbone to multi-task and do things alongside the game. And also I hear that they are making it very easy for any Xbox One to convert to a dev kit. Which is pretty sweet for the independent groups out there. However I'm talking about from the consumer point of view. I'm the consumer not a developer. If Toyota makes a car and finds a way to improve performance but decrease safety and it furthers competition of the whole Car market. Sure that's fine from the market perspective. Hell it might even pull Scion and Nissan up a level since competition is always good especially in an automotive landscape. But if this small change benefits the market but is the direct source of a car issue that leads to stalls/accidents/consumer complaints it should be addressed. No matter how well it effects a market or a companies ideals.

Because remember Toyota is still the #1 Automaker but they're still prone to Bad news. Also we have noticed that when companies act upon behalf of a self-serving manner or taking care of their own. The consumer base does not have a good uptrend matching that of the corporations beneficiaries.

Well aside from the independent developer point, their intention was to push the industry in a state where it's more like something such as iTunes or Steam, where the creator of the content does not lose money due to used game sales, that was their biggest intention. 100% of used games sales does not go to the developer at all, all goes to the 2nd hand party. You're saving a few bucks on an already expensive game. I also believe that, people were under the impression that if MS allowed the ban of used games on their console that games will still cost $60 + tax, no they wouldn't because than you'd be buying the game directly from the developer, digitally, there would have been more pricing models and more deals and sales, ala Steam or iTunes holiday sales. But the overall gaming population doesn't know this, so, oh well.

And in order to solve this issue they even had a plan put in place where you can share any amount of games with up to 10 people or something, but that wasn't even elaborated, I think they just explained it really poorly but their intention was good.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/xbox-one-allows-you-to-share-games-with-ten-family-members-but-some-details

And it has to do with with this nerd culture of dumb console war shit, I like both systems, but I prefer Xbox because of it's exclusives, their design of their online experience is better, and they have dedicated servers for their games.

I don't think the $100 is that big of an issue, you're spending half a grand already...look at the grandscope of things. And originally PS4 was supposed to come with their Kinect equivalent bundled but they dropped it as an accessory, so hence it's $100 cheaper.

Other things I can't comment on, because I do not own the console yet, but ads are dumb tho.

 

[AK Black Preon]

Well aside from the independent developer point, their intention was to push the industry in a state where it's more like something such as iTunes or Steam, where the creator of the content does not lose money due to used game sales, that was their biggest intention. 100% of used games sales does not go to the developer at all, all goes to the 2nd hand party. You're saving a few bucks on an already expensive game. I also believe that, people were under the impression that if MS allowed the ban of used games on their console that games will still cost $60 + tax, no they wouldn't because than you'd be buying the game directly from the developer, digitally, there would have been more pricing models and more deals and sales, ala Steam or iTunes holiday sales. But the overall gaming population doesn't know this, so, oh well.

And in order to solve this issue they even had a plan put in place where you can share any amount of games with up to 10 people or something, but that wasn't even elaborated, I think they just explained it really poorly but their intention was good.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/xbox-one-allows-you-to-share-games-with-ten-family-members-but-some-details

I knew about the used games part. I even had a thread a while back. Developer's don't make any from the 2nd hand sale due it being between the Retailer and the consumer. Otherwise the company essentially would get paid twice for one purchase. Much the same goes for used cars and things of that nature. But here is an Image basically explaining their concept as far as family sharing: http://i.imgur.com/Ayguitt.png - However when you're pumping 60$ a piece of xbox live gold per year to microsoft they are essentially getting a lot of revenue straight from you. Coupling this with dedicated servers for games it helps out both Microsoft and whatever developer wants to use those services in a cost effective way. However on the PS4 they have this way of sharing. I'll admit the Xbone has an easier way, but the PS4's is more exploitable if you can get a chain of connections going I could imagine you finding a way to have up to 8 people enjoying the fun at once, but it would require setting up and planning.

As far as their plans of independent development I understand it, but at the same time Steam's system is much better. You see on steam there is hardly a SPLIT cost. Since most games can be bought from the source, developers see so much more profit from one digital distribution sale than than from any one retail/console regulated sale. Hence why Steam is also able to bring those sweet deals. Now this is where Microsoft shoots itself in the foot. Although Steam helps developers a lot, that's still not why its world renown on the consumer front. Those Steam Summer, Winter, Holiday, back to school deals are what Steam hooks its failthful on. However with Microsoft... excuse me if I'm wrong but apparently they thing buying Halo 3 for 30$ in 2013 was a "DEAL". Even though we've had what... 3 Halo Games since then and thus by proxy its Multiplayer is dead? Also many of Microsofts "deals" are for lack of a better phrase diarrhea with a price tag. Not to mention it wasn't until THIS YEAR, that Microsoft stopped charging independent developers an obscene amount of money to simply PATCH their games.

40000$ For an indie developer REALLY is not cheap:
http://www.neowin.net/news/report-microsoft-drops-40000-xbox-360-game-patch-fee

http://www.hookshotinc.com/interview-schafers-millions/

http://kotaku.com/5884842/wait-it-costs-40000-to-patch-a-console-game

Essentially the same article but giving you options so you can pick the one site you're most familiar with if any at all.

 

[SwiftTomHanks]

The end all be all for me is exclusive titles. I own both systems currently, but I'm looking at giving off my xbone to a young cousin due to a pretty lackluster experience so far.

Xbox one has the following on launch:
Forza5 (great IMO, but only 14 tracks is not acceptable)
Dead Rising 3 (for people who have shitty taste in entertainment and still laugh at jokes that were the bee's knees in elementary school)
Ryse (a game that plays itself, but looks great doing so)
KI (see dead rising 3)

Ps4 on launch:
Shadow Fall (best fps multiplayer, and tries to actually do something different from bf and cod)
Knack (charming, but too simple)
Rezogun (the best "gameplay" out of all the mentioned titles)


In the near future the exclusives are

Xbone: fable, project spark, halo (5?)
Ps4: the order, infamous, uncharted, drive club

Ps: titanfall is not a true next gen game since it is also on 360. It's neither an exclusive since it's on pc.



Clear winner for me is ps4

 

[HellblazerHawkman]

Well aside from the independent developer point, their intention was to push the industry in a state where it's more like something such as iTunes or Steam, where the creator of the content does not lose money due to used game sales, that was their biggest intention. 100% of used games sales does not go to the developer at all, all goes to the 2nd hand party. You're saving a few bucks on an already expensive game. I also believe that, people were under the impression that if MS allowed the ban of used games on their console that games will still cost $60 + tax, no they wouldn't because than you'd be buying the game directly from the developer, digitally, there would have been more pricing models and more deals and sales, ala Steam or iTunes holiday sales. But the overall gaming population doesn't know this, so, oh well.

And in order to solve this issue they even had a plan put in place where you can share any amount of games with up to 10 people or something, but that wasn't even elaborated, I think they just explained it really poorly but their intention was good.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/article/xbox-one-allows-you-to-share-games-with-ten-family-members-but-some-details

And it has to do with with this nerd culture of dumb console war shit, I like both systems, but I prefer Xbox because of it's exclusives, their design of their online experience is better, and they have dedicated servers for their games.

I don't think the $100 is that big of an issue, you're spending half a grand already...look at the grandscope of things. And originally PS4 was supposed to come with their Kinect equivalent bundled but they dropped it as an accessory, so hence it's $100 cheaper.

Other things I can't comment on, because I do not own the console yet, but ads are dumb tho.

To your point, why would anyone buy that Steam-esque sales would come to consoles? Realistically, digital releases should be cheaper than the retail, but more often than not they are the same price and remain that way for a LONG time. I just bought The Darkness 2 recently at Gamestop for $15 where it's still $60 (when I checked, may have changed since). I love supporting devs, but I ain't paying the difference. At the very least, digital downloads need to reflect price changes in the market before I'll believe sales will start rolling in. Siren Blood Curse was $60 for the entire game for years, the price just went down last Halloween. Might be easier with the new gen, but who knows, right?

 

[Euphoric]

To your point, why would anyone buy that Steam-esque sales would come to consoles? Realistically, digital releases should be cheaper than the retail, but more often than not they are the same price and remain that way for a LONG time. I just bought The Darkness 2 recently at Gamestop for $15 where it's still $60 (when I checked, may have changed since). I love supporting devs, but I ain't paying the difference. At the very least, digital downloads need to reflect price changes in the market before I'll believe sales will start rolling in. Siren Blood Curse was $60 for the entire game for years, the price just went down last Halloween. Might be easier with the new gen, but who knows, right?

What's $60 where?

 

[trustinme]

I bought xbox 360 for halo. Now i buy xb1 for ki3. Keeping it simple

are u getting a stick aswell dude because I got to try the pad today and its fucking garbage.

 

[Hellbringer]

I just can't buy a console for one game especially if lacks in the content department. But I do know the feeling of "Damn, that right there. You see it? Yeah I'm having that." regardless of the logical sense behind it. However is there any future Xbox One game that has been announced that you can't wait for?

Not really. I just want KI

are u getting a stick aswell dude because I got to try the pad today and its fucking garbage.

I heard from others it was awesome...

 

[trustinme]

Not really. I just want KI



I heard from others it was awesome...

i wish it was dude,it's horrible .trying it out has put me right off and for once I'm not taking the piss.

 

[Hellbringer]

i wish it was dude,it's horrible .trying it out has put me right off and for once I'm not taking the piss.

You normally play with pad or stick for other fg's?

 

[trustinme]

You normally play with pad or stick for other fg's?

pad

 

[ruff321]

Launch games don't mean squat. You gotta look way beyond that. Think 2 or 3 years from now. I think if you want to play a wide variety of games then you gotta go with Playstation. I mean look at PS3 launch lineup. No one wants to play RIDGGGEEE RACERRR or Lair or Genji. 2-4 years later we get these awesome exclusives and these amazing indie games such as Journey and Flower.

I regret purchasing a 360 because even though it has great launch games, they focus wayy too much on Kinect and shooters. I end up sending my 360 to my little cousin in Vietnam cause it was collecting dust.

Want another example? Look at the 3DS. Started out having no decent games and now there's Pokemon, Zelda, Phoenix Wright, Animal Crossing, etc...

I'll probably end up getting all 3 consoles, but getting a PS4 is my priority.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

The ads are coming to PS4 as well.... don't you worry your little heads.

 

[Tony at Home]

Project Spark
Titanfall
Killer Instinct

I am also in love with the screen-snap feature that allows me to see what is on my buddy's screen.

 

[AK Black Preon]

Project Spark
Titanfall
Killer Instinct

I am also in love with the screen-snap feature that allows me to put see what is on my buddy's screen.

Well since spark is going to be on PC, a Last Gen System, and Windows 8 Tablets I'll have to rule that out of the decision making equation. Titanfall also being on PC. But Killer Instinct is the only true exclusive there. But that screen snapping thing is a good idea.

 

[NightwingDayZero]

I paid $500 for play Killer Instinct and it's worth every fucking penny.

Believe the hype.

 

[Tony at Home]

Well since spark is going to be on PC, a Last Gen System, and Windows 8 Tablets I'll have to rule that out of the decision making equation. Titanfall also being on PC. But Killer Instinct is the only true exclusive there. But that screen snapping thing is a good idea.

There is a reason. people still consider games with pc versions exclusives.

If you have an xbox, you can play any xbox game.

If you have a wii you can play any wii game.

If you have a playstation you can play any playstation game.

If you have a pc you CANNOT play any pc game. You have to have an OS that matches (I run Linux) and the proper system requirements. Alot of people only have small cheap laptops such as myself, and we cant run nt gen games on them.

Saying you cant consider a console exclusive because of a pc release wrongfully assumes I can viably get the game on my computer. Thats simply not true.

Also, if you cant consider it because its available on a last gen system, you assume there wont be substantial differences between the 360 versions and the next-gen versions. Given you took the care to point out the subtle graphical comparisons between the xbone and ps4, it doesnt make sense for you to ignore the difference between last gen and next gen versions of the same game.

 

[AK Black Preon]

There is a reason. people still consider games with pc versions exclusives.

If you have an xbox, you can play any xbox game.

If you have a wii you can play any wii game.

If you have a playstation you can play any playstation game.

If you have a pc you CANNOT play any pc game. You have to have an OS that matches (I run Linux) and the proper system requirements. Alot of people only have small cheap laptops such as myself, and we cant run nt gen games on them.

Saying you cant consider a console exclusive because of a pc release wrongfully assumes I can viably get the game on my computer. Thats simply not true.

Also, if you cant consider it because its available on a last gen system, you assume there wont be substantial differences between the 360 versions and the next-gen versions. Given you took the care to point out the subtle graphical comparisons between the xbone and ps4, it doesnt make sense for you to ignore the difference between last gen and next gen versions of the same game.

I said "I'll" have to rule that out of the decision making process. As I stated in earlier posts this is just for me and my perspective. Didn't say you were wrong for what fits you and that out of the list you compiled only one is a true exclusive. I know everyone doesn't have access to a high performance gaming PC but I do. Otherwise if I were to ignore that fact I'd of titled the thread "Why you shouldn't by an Xbox One". As far as the "differences" in those games I'd have to rule project spark out due to the fact that if I wanted it I'd be able to obtain it on PC. Also another plus for Spark, it doesn't require XBL Gold subscription. Linux still has a large library of games that it can play, but you're right it doesn't have the full capability to run all next gen spectacles and debacles alike.

Also as for the graphical differences I bring them up due to the fact that these two consoles are fairly identical in what they do. So its worth looking into and those with a 360 like myself, it may not be worth the extra $500 expenditure to go out and snag the slightly more crisp Spark. Those with a tablet will also have the ability to make Project Spark Portable an advantage the consoles won't have. Each version I'm sure will have their pros and cons. We can't assume that the Xbone will be the superior version, especially if PCs can run it and tablets making it more user friendly.

Also dig this

It shows that due to tablets having the smaller screen, the graphics will be able to keep their crisp visuals and still bring the atmosphere together just fine.

 

[SwiftTomHanks]

There is a reason. people still consider games with pc versions exclusives.

If you have an xbox, you can play any xbox game.

If you have a wii you can play any wii game.

If you have a playstation you can play any playstation game.

If you have a pc you CANNOT play any pc game. You have to have an OS that matches (I run Linux) and the proper system requirements. Alot of people only have small cheap laptops such as myself, and we cant run nt gen games on them.

Saying you cant consider a console exclusive because of a pc release wrongfully assumes I can viably get the game on my computer. Thats simply not true.

Also, if you cant consider it because its available on a last gen system, you assume there wont be substantial differences between the 360 versions and the next-gen versions. Given you took the care to point out the subtle graphical comparisons between the xbone and ps4, it doesnt make sense for you to ignore the difference between last gen and next gen versions of the same game.

You make great points about PC versions, but as much as I enjoy games like ac4 and ghosts I can't look at them as true next gen games since they pretty much do the same thing on the other consoles just in lower graphical quality. Same goes for Titanfall; the fact it can be done on 360 has me worried about it not taking full advantage of the xbone.

Concerning the graphics thing, it's expected for last gen ports to have lower quality. When one current gen system gets better performance out of third party titles than the other...then I think it's fair to complain.