Who is the most wrong person in the NRS community?

[M2Dave]

Thats ALL the cyborg matchup is, and she gets in just fine, parry and walk forward.
You taught me to be more patient against zoners, and tbh, Zod doesnt have any real tools to zone her out. Duck all the time when moving in to avoid gunshots and F2. Parry zod balls, and when the trait comes out I've figured out a way to make the 5050 not a true 5050.

The damage you do in chip while trying to zone me out is so minimal compared to the amount she can do once she touches you once.

Do not compare Cyborg to Zod. Cyborg is trash. Besides, Cyborg can only have one fireball on the screen. Zod can have four and activate trait.

Players are currently relying on Zod players' lack of execution to win... just like versus Kabal in the beginning of Mortal Kombat's life span.

 

[pherleece]

I do think pig deserves this win and I know he will probably apologize

 

[M2Dave]

1. 16 Bit - "Martian Manhunter has done nothing in tournaments": Technically true. He hasn't done anything in tournaments...yet.

REO placed top 8 at Summer Jam. Haze Jupiter has just beaten Rico Suave. Rebelo is winning Canadian local tournaments with Martian Manhunter (and Green Lantern).

If Martian Manhunter had a great projectile instead of the overhead teleport, 16 Bit would be the first person to cry. Trust me.

Also, what did Tom ever say that was controversial?

 

[CrimsonShadow]

1. 16 Bit - "Martian Manhunter has done nothing in tournaments": Technically true. He hasn't done anything in tournaments...yet

If I got Top 8 at a major with a hitherto unrecognized character, and someone told me I "hadn't done anything", I'd put a giant slap in a box, wrap it up with a bow, and deliver it to TYM

Not to mention the regionals he's cleaned up at -- I think it's safe to say that things have been done.

 

[Qwark28]

If I got Top 8 at a major with a hitherto unrecognized character, and someone told me I "hadn't done anything", I'd put a giant slap in a box, wrap it up with a bow, and deliver it to TYM

 

[coolwhip]

If I got Top 8 at a major with a hitherto unrecognized character, and someone told me I "hadn't done anything", I'd put a giant slap in a box, wrap it up with a bow, and deliver it to TYM.

*SIGH* Context man...context.

MMH is hyped as the Kabal of Injustice, and the absolute best in the game (disagree with the former, agree with the latter, by the way). So, compared to such lofty standards, an 8th place at a major really isn't all that special. Is it really supposed to be the evidence to back up such claims? The hypothetical you're giving means I'm saying YOU (as in "a player") haven't done anything by placing in the top 8 at a major. Nobody is saying REO hasn't done anything. Placing top 8 at that major was a good accomplishment (obviously REO's done more than that, dating back to his Batman days). But as far as MMH is concerned, ONE top 8 placement really isn't anything for a character that is probably the best in the game.

So if someone told me "MMH is the Kabal of Injustice because he got 8th place at a major," I'd put a giant slap in a box, wrap it up with a bow, and deliver it to TYM

Anyway, this will all change soon once REO does very well at NEC, which he will.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

*SIGH* Context man...context.

MMH is hyped as the Kabal of Injustice, and the absolute best in the game (disagree with the former, agree with the latter, by the way). So, compared to such lofty standards, an 8th place at a major really isn't all that special. Is it really supposed to be the evidence to back up such claims? The hypothetical you're giving means I'm saying YOU (as in "a player") haven't done anything by placing in the top 8 at a major. Nobody is saying REO hasn't done anything. Placing top 8 at that major was a good accomplishment (obviously REO's done more than that, dating back to his Batman days). But as far as MMH is concerned, ONE top 8 placement really isn't anything for a character that is probably the best in the game.

So if someone told me "MMH is the Kabal of Injustice because he got 8th place at a major, I'd put a giant slap in a box, wrap it up with a bow, and deliver it to TYM

Anyway, this will all change soon once REO does very well at NEC, which he will.

Ok, but only here is "This character is Kabal" the only reason you're allowed to say a character has "done something". Especially when said character has few high-level representatives to begin with.

There's quite a bit of room in between, no?

Hardly any top players maining the character + top 8 at a major, top 1-2 at regionals = pretty decent math

 

[coolwhip]

REO placed top 8 at Summer Jam. Haze Jupiter has just beaten Rico Suave. Rebelo is winning Canadian local tournaments with Martian Manhunter (and Green Lantern).

If Martian Manhunter had a great projectile instead of the overhead teleport, 16 Bit would be the first person to cry. Trust me.

Also, what did Tom ever say that was controversial?

The KTP was recorded before Jupiter beat Rico. And yeah, REO made top 8 at Summer Jam but as I suggested in my post above, do you really think that's enough to indicate that MMH is the Kabal of injustice (which was the context in which 16 Bit made his statement. The argument was not whether MMH is very good or not, which nobody debates)?

As far as Tom goes, "just frame trident" is all I have to say. In all seriousness, I don't think he's said anything that preposterous (other than thinking Scorp should be banned) that I can think of.

 

[DarkPage]

I'd like someone to disprove me when I say how insane WoWo is compared to a lot of the cast.

Nobody can because LBSH, none of you are even remotely good with her, as well as mine only being an early version. If you've played mine now, imagine how stupid it will be in the future.

teach me in your ways

 

[EMPEROR PRYCE]

Im the wrongest person ever. I said red hood would be in the game... and hes not!!!

 

[coolwhip]

Ok, but only here is "This character is Kabal" the only reason you're allowed to say a character has "done something". Especially when said character has few high-level representatives to begin with.

There's quite a bit of room in between, no?

C-O-N-T-E-X-T

Also: FACT CHECKING.

16 Bit never said "MMH hasn't done anything." He said, and I quote, "If MMH is the Kabal of Injustice, why isn't he running every tournament?"

M2Dave turned it into a convenient paraphrase. Of course there's room for in between, and by admitting that I think MMH is the best in the game, I'm saying as much, don't you think?

I agree that MMH hasn't been out for that long, and not that many top players play him (as opposed to Kabal who was played by REO, PL, Detroit, and Jr, only 4 of the best players in MK history). I also agree that using the "he hasn't been winning tournaments" excuse isn't very valid in this case since the guy who represents him only attended one major with him. I believe we'll see more players picking him up in the future, and I believe he'll win a major soon.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

C-O-N-T-E-X-T

Also: FACT CHECKING.

16 Bit never said "MMH hasn't done anything." He said, and I quote, "If MMH is the Kabal of Injustice, why isn't he running every tournament?"

You were the one that said it -- and I quoted you, not 16 bit. You're speaking to something I'm not referencing. The way I view it, 16bit is correct about MMH not being Kabal -- but only due to matchups.

Kabal didn't run every tournament either. As a matter of fact, the period where he did have most of his success (around Anaheim -> Summer Jam 2012), only came after people worked with him long enough to get the execution down and work out the matchup kinks. And then, he went through other long droughts except for the one player (REO) who was consistently able to win tournaments with him.

 

[Qwark28]

Ok, but only here is "This character is Kabal" the only reason you're allowed to say a character has "done something". Especially when said character has few high-level representatives to begin with.

There's quite a bit of room in between, no?

Hardly any top players maining the character + top 8 at a major, top 1-2 at regionals = pretty decent math

 

[Rickyraws]

Killer Frost pl0x

 

[coolwhip]

You were the one that said it -- and I quoted you, not 16 bit. You're speaking to something I'm not referencing.

I was merely explaining what 16 Bit said (hence making my statement right next to m2dave's manufactured quote), so quoting me, is in a way, quoting him. And again, since you're conveniently ignoring context, when I or anyone else say "MMH hasn't done anything," we're saying that in comparison to a character that's supposed to be as good as Kabal. Yeah, in absolute terms, MMH placed 8th in a major. That's something. Compared to a character that's supposed to have no losing match-ups, that's not much. I hope I'm clear.

 

[trustinme]

This def goes to pig and dave...

Pig: Ds will rule injustice

Davey: Zoning is extremely weak and practically non existent in injustice.. Im also a good injustice player....

Both of you, wrong.. *insert kappa face with cat ears*

Saying zoning is irrelevant and then getting 5-0'd by wound cowboy who's hitting him with nothing but fear blasts was pretty hilarious.

 

[dribirut]

I'd like someone to disprove me when I say how insane WoWo is compared to a lot of the cast.

Nobody can because LBSH, none of you are even remotely good with her, as well as mine only being an early version. If you've played mine now, imagine how stupid it will be in the future.

sorry man dont buy into her hype

 

[CrimsonShadow]

I was merely explaining what 16 Bit said (hence making my statement right next to m2dave's manufactured quote), so quoting me, is in a way, quoting him. And again, since you're conveniently ignoring context, when I or anyone else say "MMH hasn't done anything," we're saying that in comparison to a character that's supposed to be as good as Kabal. Yeah, in absolute terms, MMH placed 8th in a major. That's something. Compared to a character that's supposed to have no losing match-ups, that's not much. I hope I'm clear.

Yup -- I just think that, additionally, people should be honest about the fact that Kabal did not "run everything" in MK9.. That REO was really the only player who was able to consistently win with him, and that most other players, even those who managed to win a tournament, had a hard time consistently even making Top 8s.

There were people who broke through at one time or another, but hardly anyone was able to duplicate their success.

 

[Qwark28]

Killer Frost pl0x

 

[Dirtylova]

Saying zoning is irrelevant and then getting 5-0'd by wound cowboy who's hitting him with nothing but fear blasts was pretty hilarious.

This post is Golden, and should be front paged//

@stroms

 

[AK Black Preon]

Killer Frost pl0x

Caption should just be... "Just breaking the hate"

 

[Qwark28]

Caption should just be... "Just breaking the hate"

 

[M2Dave]

*SIGH* Context man...context.

MMH is hyped as the Kabal of Injustice, and the absolute best in the game (disagree with the former, agree with the latter, by the way). So, compared to such lofty standards, an 8th place at a major really isn't all that special. Is it really supposed to be the evidence to back up such claims? The hypothetical you're giving means I'm saying YOU (as in "a player") haven't done anything by placing in the top 8 at a major. Nobody is saying REO hasn't done anything. Placing top 8 at that major was a good accomplishment (obviously REO's done more than that, dating back to his Batman days). But as far as MMH is concerned, ONE top 8 placement really isn't anything for a character that is probably the best in the game.

So if someone told me "MMH is the Kabal of Injustice because he got 8th place at a major, I'd put a giant slap in a box, wrap it up with a bow, and deliver it to TYM

Anyway, this will all change soon once REO does very well at NEC, which he will.

You honestly need to do some more thinking and research before you post.

Kenshi did not start placing top 8 an entire year after the game had been released. Furthermore, Pig is the only Kenshi player who had significant success with the character, yet the community understands that Kenshi is anything but balanced. There is more to a character than just tournament results, and we, the community, understand that Kenshi is overpowered even if just one talented player is winning with him.

Also, since you value context and accuracy so much, aside from a couple of players nobody has ever claimed that Martian Manhunter is the Kabal of Injustice. I certainly never said so.

 

[AK Black Preon]

Either you just lit up my world or you enlightened me.

 

[CrimsonShadow]

Kenshi did not start placing top 8 an entire year after the game had been released. Furthermore, Pig is the only Kenshi player who had significant success with the character, yet the community understands that Kenshi is anything but balanced. There is more to a character than just tournament results, and we, the community, understand that Kenshi is overpowered even if just one talented player is winning with him.

I think this hits the nail on the head. Although the matchups are not as strongly tilted in MMH's favor, if just as many people were playing him at a high level and working tooth and nail on their execution, there's a chance that he'd end up in similar positioning to what Kabal was able to do.

But to even compare them, you'd need a lot more top players to be flocking to him and picking him up as their main. So I don't think we'd ever be able to know how potent he could be, unless something changes.