Novice's Issue

[Lilith]

Hello again,
I feel a little lost. I am trying to gain a better understanding of this game and of fighting games in general while also learning stick. I guess I am taking a lot at once as I am sure others are too.. I feel like I am missing things as I was kind of told things here and there but i feel like my understanding of it all is lacking! ( I am also trying to create a guide as i go for other novices like myself and some do's and don'ts more specifically geared to females)

So my question(s) to you all are

Where does one start when trying to gain a competitive and analytical mindset of a certain fighting game?
How does one elevate their thinking to a "pro" mindset after gaining a decent understanding of a game?
Personally, I feel like I am kind of slow when I try to process what i am doing, to what i wanna do, to adjusting to what my opponent is doing....you catch my drift. What can I do to remedy that? Should I be in the lab more or just keep trying to apply myself in matches then eventually it will come?


I had some more and will probably ask a ton more questions and ones specific to what I am trying to achieve.

 

[juicepouch]

Hi!

 

[Lilith]

Shitty internet just deleted my post h/o while i edit.

Edit: How can I even start to gain a better understanding of applying frame knowledge when I don't even know how x_x? So many things I feel slightly overwhelmed.

 

[zuurrkk]

Honestly my advice is to just get a hold of the basics. Just play the game. Identify what you suck at and practice it. Play against people. Lose. Then you need to be able to identify why you lost. Take yourself to the lab then practice that particular element.

A big part of it is sucking, losing, identifying, then labbing. Lather, rinse, repeat.

The more you play you'll naturally learn more and more about the game. The more you play, the more you learn. You'll learn what specific characters can do what, where they want to be, where YOUR character wants to be, how to punish, making reads, mixups, etc.

Honestly dude, just play. A lot of it comes naturally over time and if you really want to learn you'll soak up a lot of knowledge really fast. It takes a little while to get decent.

If you're a complete novice, I wouldn't focus on frame data too much right now. Have fun first, then do your homework. But whatever floats your boat! I know I probably didn't help much lol

 

[Jimmypotato]

Shitty internet just deleted my post h/o while i edit.

Edit: How can I even start to gain a better understanding of applying frame knowledge when I don't even know how x_x? So many things I feel slightly overwhelmed.

A great way is if you have a way to record your matches. Watching yourself play is a great way to understand what you need to do to take that next step. It's a good way to see if you have patterns that you fall into, stuff like that.

I think there are some good "how to understand Frame Data threads" on here as well, they may just be buried. But I honestly wouldn't worry to much about it right now if you are just starting out.

I would just go by, K if they do "this move" and I block, I can do this move and they either have to block it or I will hit them free.

Stuff like this can easily be tested by yourself in the practice mode.

That being said, spend some time in the practice mode trying stuff by yourself. You may surprise yourself with what you can learn.

 

[Jimmypotato]

Here is a good thread Lilith http://www.testyourmight.com/threads/basic-fg-terms-and-how-they-apply-to-injustice.33795/

 

[miloPKL]

dont play randoms
find solid training buddies who will give you advice
dont get salty when you lose, ask why you lost
ask for advice
you have no right to win as a nooby learner, youll lose a lot so dont feel bad
dont listen to haters
knuckle down with you character and learn his bread n butter combos
learn how to punish your opponents when they are vulnerable
learn what to do to beat strategies instead of complaining
drill your execution until it comes automatically, the less energy you waste on execution, the more energy can be devoted to strategy

 

[Jimmypotato]

you have no right to win as a nooby learner,

lol

dude, everyone has a right to win, especially in this game.

 

[ZigZag]

EVERYONE on this website is still learning each and every day, you just keep on learning and creating something new.
I think you have to put months of your time into the game and be prepaired to read ALOT on the forums to gain a very high level understanding of the game, also for the novice players to get better there's no better place to turn that a forum like these rather than most people on Youtube. (However alot of people on here are on youtube aswell).

The best way to start to improve is play less randoms on ranked matches and try and make friends here to play, spend time in practice with your character(s) to try and develop a fighting style that not only incorporates the characters best strings/moves but to make a fighting style that's unique to yourself, there's some reasonable do's and don'ts with character but you have to make sure that you're not playing like every other soul on the game otherwise you're too predictable, and having your own style helps you get as good as you can rather than playing how someone else finds it easy to play.

 

[miloPKL]

lol

dude, everyone has a right to win, especially in this game.

No one has the right to win, foo'. It is the outcome of skillful play. You can't pick up a game and just immediately win or expect to win against better players or have wins given to you because you feel you deserve it. You must earn it by beating your opponent.

 

[Jimmypotato]

Eitherway I don't wanna derail her thread too much, I just don't think you should tell people new to fighters and games that they don't deserve to win, because thats an automatic deterrent.

We want to grow the scene, not stop people before they start because they don't think they deserve to win. So what is someone new suppose to do if they are winning? Think that they suck balls? I think saying new people don't deserve it is a cop out for people who get beat and put alot more time into it then someone else.

I just didnt' like that part of your post, I liked the rest though.

 

[zuurrkk]

Also, whoever your main is, it certainly doesn't hurt to find a top/high level player who plays them as well and study match footage and watch how they handle different situations.

Maybe you should post your main(s) and we'll give you some names to look out for!

 

[Alien Substance]

x5STAR
Jimmypotato
This is all a misunderstanding. Jimmy, what 5STAR meant, was that wins are earned and that no one must expect a win to fall into their lap.
X5, I would appreciate it if you elaborated a little on that next time (like in your last post), so that these situations may be avoided.

 

[Galactic Geek]

Lilith,

If you're on Xbox Live, I'll be happy to help you learn in online practice. I'm an Xbox Live Ambassador and am pretty good in my own right, but not great like some of these guys, so I can help get you started without making you feel completely overwhelmed. I can show you the basics, & then some. I'm free for most of today with the exception of a brief errand around 2:45-4:30 pm eastern time. My gamertag is the same as on here - Galactic Geek. Feel free to send me an invite or tell me your GT so I can send you 1.

 

[Hellbringer]

Best advice i can give you is watch all youtube videos from ultrachen, called first attack. It helped me a ton even after playing many years. Its strategy for beginners upto high level.
I recommend this to anyone on tym.

 

[Lilith]

, spend time in practice with your character(s) to try and develop a fighting style that not only incorporates the characters best strings/moves but to make a fighting style that's unique to yourself, there's some reasonable do's and don'ts with character but you have to make sure that you're not playing like every other soul on the game otherwise you're too predictable, and having your own style helps you get as good as you can rather than playing how someone else finds it easy to play.

So how do you suppose someone finds their own style and doesn't just x copy especially with very linear characters like Frost?

 

[Lilith]

Also, whoever your main is, it certainly doesn't hurt to find a top/high level player who plays them as well and study match footage and watch how they handle different situations.

Maybe you should post your main(s) and we'll give you some names to look out for!

Oh yeah I am a little fangirl when it comes to that I main Arrow and play Draman sometimes. I dont watch footage as I'd like due to lack of time x_x and am not as much of a stream monster as I used to be :[ But I am a little arrowette and play the occasional frost. I like to watch 7L play but haven't gotten the chance to play him yet and lurk GA forums. Just a little shy I guess

 

[ZigZag]

So how do you suppose someone finds their own style and doesn't just x copy especially with very linear characters like Frost?

Well you have me there, Some characters are just one thing, but for the most part alot of the characters can be played in at least a couple different ways, You don't just have to pull the same string with some characters, and some people prefer to use different setups to others.

BUT in KF's case or Supermans case these 2 are definitely characters you can just abuse the same strategy with I guess.

 

[Nutrient]

Best advice I can give; play Superman
glhf


Real talk though, What x5STAR and zuurrkk have said is pretty solid advice

You'll learn more from a loss then a win and we always end up losing more then we win thats for sure, so make sure you try learn from 'em

Once you get the basics down of what you need to do, it'll all come naturally till you level up, then discussions become important

 

[zuurrkk]

Oh yeah I am a little fangirl when it comes to that I main Arrow and play Draman sometimes. I dont watch footage as I'd like due to lack of time x_x and am not as much of a stream monster as I used to be :[ But I am a little arrowette and play the occasional frost. I like to watch 7L play but haven't gotten the chance to play him yet and lurk GA forums. Just a little shy I guess

Luckily GA has some really solid players and it seems like they're always coming up with tech. 7L and Chris G are good players to watch. Hit up Cossner for some tips. Dude owns my GL FRAYYYY