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Match-up Discussion KILLER FROST - Official Community Match-Up Discussion

@MylesWright_

I'll be back 3ing
I have more stake in this chart than you do.
I don't want it to be polluted with idiot opinions, because that'd mean extra work for me.
All I've seen you do is stalk my status updates and thread posts.
But while you are here please explain my KF goes 5-5 with WW and BA seen as you appear to know so much
 

Cossner

King of the Jobbers 2015
All I've seen you do is stalk my status updates and thread posts.
But while you are here please explain my KF goes 5-5 with WW and BA seen as you appear to know so much
Then how about you just don't post shit :) and no, I don't know KF, but you know who do? Ribbz, RunwayMafia and Khaotik, so why don't let the big boys talk?
 

@MylesWright_

I'll be back 3ing
I don't know KF
Then you have no reason to be here.
Their opinions of KFs matchups are just as subjective as everyone elses; Harley was listed and agreed on as a 6-4 matchup whilst i knew it wasn't and was then listed as 5-5 after Saltface played* Khaotik in a set
 

Cossner

King of the Jobbers 2015
Then you have no reason to be here.
Their opinions of KFs matchups are just as subjective as everyone elses; Harley was listed and agreed on as a 6-4 matchup whilst i knew it wasn't and was then listed as 5-5 after Saltface beat Khaotik
I do care about this MU list, because I'm doing a huge thing with them. No one in this community really cares about your opinion about KF, and I'm probably a better KF than you even though I've never touched her. Now according to you, a match up shouldn't be based in playing several times at the highest level, exhausting all possibilities and counters, taking into account the tools of the characters and the knowledge of each other throughout the months and years that takes to learn a fighting game. Nop, just 1 match. Good to know.
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
Joker is 5-5. I made a whole arguement and also showed it in games.
I have played sets against Dark and it really feels like he is at disadvantage. Unfortunately I don't have any other Joker's to play really, but Dark is excellent. I wouldn't focus the numbers at this point in any case. Can you PM me some of your MU points so I can put them in pros/cons section?
 

@MylesWright_

I'll be back 3ing
I do care about this MU list, because I'm doing a huge thing with them. No one in this community really cares about your opinion about KF, and I'm probably a better KF than you even though I've never touched her. Now according to you, a match up shouldn't be based in playing several times at the highest level, exhausting all possibilities and counters, taking into account the tools of the characters and the knowledge of each other throughout the months and years that takes to learn a fighting game. Nop, just 1 match. Good to know.
I edited the post so you could understand it better.
Yet again jumping to your own random conclusions which is why you have no credibility in this community
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
I'll start with a few bullet point details that I can remember offhand:
lulz, Wonder Woman too stronk. I will throw this stuff in the spoiler section. I am trying to consolidate them into a list of pro's and con's to just keep things general. If there is something ground breaking that surfaces, I will eventually end up just put in links to the specific posts/post numbers.
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
Last one and im out for now. nd kf isn't this good imo this all just doesn't seem right. Not realistic enough I think.
What I see in the future is her losing to possibly Black Adam, MMH, and Zod merely due to their character designs. Hawkgirl is a weird MU, but I think the thing that makes the MU even is that the way the MU is played the HG player has to get it right sooooo many more times than the Frost player does. I think HG would win the MU for sure if she had a way to make Frost uncomfortable mid-screen.
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
Frost probably beats GL 6-4. I'll leave it as 5-5 for now.
If the GL player is on point with air projectiles and mixes up their pressure it can be really annoying. I think it is a solid 5-5 for sure.
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
I have added some notes to the spoiler tags for characters so far. Feel free to add or correct anything and post it here.
 

RunwayMafia

Shoot them. Shoot them all.
Why is Harley 5-5? I would list that at 6-4 Frost, imo. And you all know my feelings about the HG number. Lol
 
Why is Harley 5-5? I would list that at 6-4 Frost, imo. And you all know my feelings about the HG number. Lol
I think it's 5-5. Harley dominates the airspace where KF has few options. Harley generates tons of meter and has very high unclashable damage, which gives KF serious problems if she falls behind in round 2. Her damage is also pretty damn high, especially meterless - getting hit by a stray j2 is going to hurt badly.
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
Why is Harley 5-5? I would list that at 6-4 Frost, imo. And you all know my feelings about the HG number. Lol
I had it at 6-4. My only decent exp is Birdsongs to help learn the MU. Khaotik said after playing saltface he thought it was 5-5 because of the zoning (specifically aerial) so I deferred to others there.
 

RunwayMafia

Shoot them. Shoot them all.
I had it at 6-4. My only decent exp is Birdsongs to help learn the MU. Khaotik said after playing saltface he thought it was 5-5 because of the zoning (specifically aerial) so I deferred to others there.
Well of course you changed it, Khaotik is your daddy. ;)

I also play Birdsongs and she hates the frost MU...I always manage to outzone her Harley. I doubt she thinks its 5-5...however Saltface is by far the best Harley...so I can accept this conclusion of opinion.

Also why does Harley's aerial zoning change her MU number against Frost but not HG's? Not arguing..just curious ;)
 

trustinme

xbl-OBS trustinme
Well of course you changed it, Khaotik is your daddy. ;)

I also play Birdsongs and she hates the frost MU...I always manage to outzone her Harley. I doubt she thinks its 5-5...however Saltface is by far the best Harley...so I can accept this conclusion of opinion.

Also why does Harley's aerial zoning change her MU number against Frost but not HG's? Not arguing..just curious ;)
why are u referring to birdsongs as a she? birdsongs whiff punished the Mk community with that hidden cock tech for 80%.