Breaking Bad (SPOILERS!)

[Wemfs]

I believe what they were trying to do with this episode is close the loop.

That scene at the beginning of the episode I believe was supposed to symbolize several different things, but in regards to the call I believe:

- Opening scene, the first lie that Walter White had ever made to his wife about getting involved in cooking meth.
- Final Phone Conversation, the last lie that Walter White would ever make to his wife regarding his involvement.

I believe there are several other reasons (at least 3 I can think of off the top of my head), that that intro scene worked so well for the story they were trying to tell in this episode.

I believe this was the most well-written episode in the entire series from a story-telling perspective. There really was a tremendous amount of depth.

What are your 3 reasons? I'm curious.

 

[LionHeart V1]

I think you've reiterated all of these points at least 3-4 times throughout the thread. It's all going over his head, let him keep the blinders on.

lol yea, I've said these things so many times.

 

[Zoidberg747]

Just got caught up

Holy fucking hell

 

[Saint Op Omen]

Just got caught up

Holy fucking hell

Yeah well that's one way to put it...

Sent from the bottom of a bottomless pit.

 

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[jaym7018]

1. Jane threatened to "burn him to the ground." Would have ran off with jesse and overdosed anyway and both would be dead.
2. Walt saved jesse from the gangbangers which is ultimately the reason why jesse had to kill gayle because Walt was about to be killed
3. Again, Gus was going to kill him and his entire family. He didn't poison brock out of spite
4.This one is fair because walt wanted jesse to stay with but in the end jesse stopped cooking anyway and received his money anyway.
5. countless lies and manipulation yea yea yea.

Don't forget that jesse is the reason Walt killed his first 2 people, Emilio and Krazy 8 and saved his life as well as jesse's life in the as well.

How many times has jesse's screw up have cost him and walt?

1. Who cares if she threatened him, walt letting her die just shows he will do anything if it served himself. Then running odd and ODing is pure speculation on your part, you have no idea what would have happened.

2. Walt didnt save jesse from the gangbangers he just murdered them instead of jesse. And Gayle was always Gus first option hence the 3 month deal hence gus giving gayle the scholarship gayle was being groomed. Walt and jesse had an expiration date the day they met gus. None of this changes the fact walt forced jesse to murder gayle and by murdering gayle jesse saved walts life but lets ignore the times jesse saved walt.

3.There is no justification for what he did to brock there is no justification for lieing to jesse about it. It was evil plain and simple, no other way around it.

4. Of course its fair he forced jesse to stay and when jesse still wanted to leave walt refused to give him his money. Great thing to do to someone you walt supporters claim he cares about.

5. Good job handwaving and downplaying of the countless lies and manipulation, i guess in the world of "walt is an angel" you just check the "no big deal " box.

 

[jaym7018]

jaym7018

What's your real beef with the show? Why can't you just enjoy it for what it is? You can't relate? I think most of the population can relate to keeping secrets and the hard stress of bills from your family and putting the weight of the world on your shoulders so you can keep your family together and happy.

Walt was a fucking joke! He was scrubbing the wheels of one of his students corvettes...He gets his old millionaire/billionaire friend some ramen noodles that only Walts broke ass still knows where to buy it!!! You could even say Walt was in a bully situation with Hank...Walt snapped when Hank picked on him and then showed him all the money made by chemistry.

There is so much pent up aggression inside of Walt that has been eating and eating at him of what his family life could have been and if you have never felt something like that and your emotions get the best of you then God bless your soul.

This show isn't about the glorification of drugs...it's about taking a ride in the back pocket of Walt; a dying man willing to take the most evil path to better his family only to be blinded by his pent up past which he even creates an alter ego for named Heisenberg.

This show is an emotional ride...

I have no beef with the show,i just think walt is a terible character. And no i cant relate with passing up a job that pays well and is in my field of expertise to instead murder lie steal and sell drugs. Walts pent up agression is all because of dumbass boneheaded mistakes he made himself, Walt is a seriously stupid mother fucker yet all i hear from his supporters is hes brilliant.

 

[Saint Op Omen]

I have no beef with the show,i just think walt is a terible character. And no i cant relate with passing up a job that pays well and is in my field of expertise to instead murder lie steal and sell drugs. Walts pent up agression is all because of dumbass boneheaded mistakes he made himself, Walt is a seriously stupid mother fucker yet all i hear from his supporters is hes brilliant.

Your "stupid" and their "brilliant" can both exist at the same time....He is stupid when acting with emotion and ego....
Also when he passed up the job it wasn't to go kill people...he had no idea what would happen at that point he was a chem teacher...which is a respectable job...would I have passed it up? Probably not but I don't know all the people involved and his complicated past with them....

Sent from the bottom of a bottomless pit.

 

[Zoidberg747]

Lol at people defending Walt. The whole point of the show is how Batshitcrazy he became. He isn't supposed to be a sympathetic characte

 

[jaym7018]

Your "stupid" and their "brilliant" can both exist at the same time....He is stupid when acting with emotion and ego....
Also when he passed up the job it wasn't to go kill people...he had no idea what would happen at that point he was a chem teacher...which is a respectable job...would I have passed it up? Probably not but I don't know all the people involved and his complicated past with them....

Sent from the bottom of a bottomless pit.

Hes stupid in everyday life to. Seriously leaving the key piece of evidence with your toilet reading material i mean its this that caused all this drama. What complicated past? Him and gretchen had a fight gretchen took it as a break up. She got together with black afterwards, walt got butthurt and sold his stake in the company to spite them. And what do you mean it wasnt to kill people wtf does he think happenes when you start producing and selling meth? Im sure when he made the conscience decision to cook meth that job offer was still on the table. The second he decided to cook meth instead of take that job offer is the second he put himself ahead of his family, which to me invalidates all the "he did it for his family" arguments.

 

[Saint Op Omen]

Hes stupid in everyday life to. Seriously leaving the key piece of evidence with your toilet reading material i mean its this that caused all this drama. What complicated past? Him and gretchen had a fight gretchen took it as a break up. She got together with black afterwards, walt got butthurt and sold his stake in the company to spite them. And what do you mean it wasnt to kill people wtf does he think happenes when you start producing and selling meth? Im sure when he made the conscience decision to cook meth that job offer was still on the table. The second he decided to cook meth instead of take that job offer is the second he put himself ahead of his family, which to me invalidates all the "he did it for his family" arguments.

Yeah in Walts eyes the relationship was complicated...I'm not there on a day to day basis...He had no clue what the meth deal was...no idea how much he had to do to make real money...it escalated and spiraled out of control...and like I said he is stupid when emotional which is involved in all you are saying ...he is smarter when planning and dealing with chemistry...I do think that the job was not a real offer in the sense that they knew he would say no and were doing it to be nice because of the cancer...
The put family before himself thing is not a argument I made or ever would...If you put your family before yourself you are still doing it for yourself anyway ...everything everyone does no matter how noble can be debated as being done for one self ...
Also I am not "team Walt" or "team Hank" or "team Jesse" they are all in a grey area to varying degrees and its a situation by situation thing...I dont think WW is a bad character I think his is well written and acted...if he is a "bad" person is subjective...

 

[deathblooms2k4]

jaym7018

What show are you watching? First let me say I don't' sympathize with Walt, he's dug his own Grave. That said the angry phone call has a lot of subtle hints that make his motive clear. First he asks if the police are with her, now initially you might believe he honestly cared about her answer. But given the fact that he broke his phone after the conversation it's clear that her answer was arbitrary and that his reason for making the question was to create the illusion that his confessions were genuine as they would believe he was talking to her without knowledge of their presence. Now if that wasn't enough, while Walt is screaming at her, he's absolutely balling his eyes out in sadness and the shots of his face do not depict anger they depict sadness. The anger displayed over the phone is clearly a guise. Lastly he drops his daughter off at the fire station. This indicates that he feels there is a good chance that his family can still be together and that his daughter can lead a better life with them. Lets not forget Walt is sitting on millions of dollars still. Even if his death is eminent from cancer he could still easily afford to pay someone to properly raise his daughter in a better situation than foster care.

 

[LionHeart V1]

About the phone call between walt and skylar at the end. Here's an interview with one of the executive producers regarding that scene.

The conversation between Walt and Skyler (Anna Gunn) outside the firehouse was heartbreaking and loaded with subtext, as Walt found a way to shield the family and distance Skyler from the mess he created. What did you want to accomplish with that scene?
It’s one last attempt to make some small gesture toward saving the family that he’s already lost. And baby Holly was the last piece. He realized that he couldn’t do it. What was fascinating about writing that scene was that the vestiges of Walter White had to play Heisenberg who’s a very real part of him and not the other way around. He had to identify the monstrous qualities of himself in order to effect the lie and protect his family.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/09/16/breaking-bad-ozymandias/

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

About the phone call between walt and skylar at the end. Here's an interview with one of the executive producers regarding that scene.

The conversation between Walt and Skyler (Anna Gunn) outside the firehouse was heartbreaking and loaded with subtext, as Walt found a way to shield the family and distance Skyler from the mess he created. What did you want to accomplish with that scene?
It’s one last attempt to make some small gesture toward saving the family that he’s already lost. And baby Holly was the last piece. He realized that he couldn’t do it. What was fascinating about writing that scene was that the vestiges of Walter White had to play Heisenberg who’s a very real part of him and not the other way around. He had to identify the monstrous qualities of himself in order to effect the lie and protect his family.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/09/16/breaking-bad-ozymandias/

you just blew Jays mind. i heard it explode from here.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

About the phone call between walt and skylar at the end. Here's an interview with one of the executive producers regarding that scene.

The conversation between Walt and Skyler (Anna Gunn) outside the firehouse was heartbreaking and loaded with subtext, as Walt found a way to shield the family and distance Skyler from the mess he created. What did you want to accomplish with that scene?
It’s one last attempt to make some small gesture toward saving the family that he’s already lost. And baby Holly was the last piece. He realized that he couldn’t do it. What was fascinating about writing that scene was that the vestiges of Walter White had to play Heisenberg who’s a very real part of him and not the other way around. He had to identify the monstrous qualities of himself in order to effect the lie and protect his family.

http://insidetv.ew.com/2013/09/16/breaking-bad-ozymandias/

i'm quoting this again

It seriously crushes everything Jay believes to be true about the show

one simple thing

<3 you

 

[jaym7018]

jaym7018

What show are you watching? First let me say I don't' sympathize with Walt, he's dug his own Grave. That said the angry phone call has a lot of subtle hints that make his motive clear. First he asks if the police are with her, now initially you might believe he honestly cared about her answer. But given the fact that he broke his phone after the conversation it's clear that her answer was arbitrary and that his reason for making the question was to create the illusion that his confessions were genuine as they would believe he was talking to her without knowledge of their presence. Now if that wasn't enough, while Walt is screaming at her, he's absolutely balling his eyes out in sadness and the shots of his face do not depict anger they depict sadness. The anger displayed over the phone is clearly a guise. Lastly he drops his daughter off at the fire station. This indicates that he feels there is a good chance that his family can still be together and that his daughter can lead a better life with them. Lets not forget Walt is sitting on millions of dollars still. Even if his death is eminent from cancer he could still easily afford to pay someone to properly raise his daughter in a better situation than foster care.

Whatever sadness you see is contrived and false. This man is a psychopath his emotions have done 180s multiple times during the show. And once again a man who loves his family like people claim Walt doesnt put his family in this situation to begin with skylar begged and pleaded for him to get out for months and he wouldnt cause he gave no shits about anything but his empire. People are confusing love for ownership, Walt has shown us 1 thing he is willing to do whatever it takes for whats his. Walt views his family as property just like jesse just like his meth empire and he protects it by any means necessary even it means hurting the people he considers property (not physically). Love means sacrafice walt has sacraficed nothing hes only taken.

 

[Temjiin]

On Hank's death:

 

[jaym7018]

you just blew Jays mind. i heard it explode from here.

i'm quoting this again

It seriously crushes everything Jay believes to be true about the show

one simple thing

<3 you

Ive already used the Vince Gilligan(not some random producer who has 0 input on the show) already said and wants and intended for Walt to be considered evil man. You guys chose to ignore the intentions of the man who created Walter White cause of your dilusions. Now you expect me to care what some nameless producer says?

 

[jaym7018]

Lol at people defending Walt. The whole point of the show is how Batshitcrazy he became. He isn't supposed to be a sympathetic characte

This, unfortunately Vince Gilligan overestimated the combined IQ of a big portion of his audience.

 

[NRF CharlieMurphy]

Ive already used the Vince Gilligan(not some random producer who has 0 input on the show) already said and wants and intended for Walt to be considered evil man. You guys chose to ignore the intentions of the man who created Walter White cause of your dilusions. Now you expect me to care what some nameless producer says?

We aren't delusional

you just have on super blinders that EVERYTHING Walt does is for Walt.... and that just isn't true at all, and has been proven time and time again.
You refuse to see it though, because you don't think anything he does is for anyone else ever.

and i'm pretty sure that ALL of use here know he's a bad dude. That is what you don't seem to grasp. We know he is bad... hell... Walt knows he's bad. But every time he does something horrendous... he ALWAYS trys to fix it or keep it so that his family will not be harmed.
Evidence... every season in the show. The "no name producer" probably has his name shown when the show starts.
You're unbelievable.

 

[jaym7018]

We aren't delusional

you just have on super blinders that EVERYTHING Walt does is for Walt.... and that just isn't true at all, and has been proven time and time again.
You refuse to see it though, because you don't think anything he does is for anyone else ever.

and i'm pretty sure that ALL of use here know he's a bad dude. That is what you don't seem to grasp. We know he is bad... hell... Walt knows he's bad. But every time he does something horrendous... he ALWAYS trys to fix it or keep it so that his family will not be harmed.
Evidence... every season in the show. The "no name producer" probably has his name shown when the show starts.
You're unbelievable.

How am i delusional? Vince Gilligan has said time and time again his intentions for walter white. I see what vince gilligan has said multiple times intended for us to see. what do you mean all of us here? There are multiple people in this topic who dont think walt is a bad guy there are people in this topic literally saying fuck skylar and fuck walter jr for turning on walt. Do you even know what a producer does? You are the one who is ignoring Gilligans vision of the his own character, that makes you delusional.

 

[BDMao88]

jaym7018 is Hank evil?

 

[LionHeart V1]

jaym7018 is Hank evil?

Yes, he didn't care if jesse were to get killed or not. He officially broke bad. What kind of man does not care if someone gets killed as long as they obtain their objective. An Evil Man. Hank and Walt are clearly the same lol. Hank has a bigger ego than Walt if you ask me. Walt was ready to give up 80 million for Hank and go to jail. Hank was willing to do anything to catch Walt. Hank got my favorite character killed (gomez) and i can never forgive that.

 

[jaym7018]

jaym7018 is Hank evil?

Hes done evil things, but is he Marlo Stanfield? Obviously not.If im being perfectly honest i think Walt is delusional he lies to everyone and himself, he does unquestionably evil things and then lies to himself so much much he buys his own bs and is deluded into thinking hes doing the right thing. Again his biggest delusion and lie to himself is "im doing this for my family" when the truth is " im doing this for me and getting what i deserve". Is Walt evil i think he is, but Walt has convinced himself (and many audience members) that he isnt.

 

[BDMao88]

Yes, he didn't care if jesse were to get killed or not. He officially broke bad. What kind of man does not care if someone gets killed as long as they obtain their objective. An Evil Man. Hank and Walt are clearly the same lol. Hank has a bigger ego than Walt if you ask me. Walt was ready to give up 80 million for Hank and go to jail. Hank was willing to do anything to catch Walt. Hank got my favorite character killed (gomez) and i can never forgive that.

Don't forget this guy is still left in a house somewhere...