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which char is the worst in the game? (community opinion)

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maximusroman

maximusroman

Banned
Cage Redfield said:
out of all the choices given, I'd have to say Ares is the worst. Lobo has anti-airs and damage and oki and all this other shit I've talked about in the previous "who is the worst" threads. He is the 2nd best on this list, Lex being the best of the worst.
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ares has 50 50 mix ups, doesnt drop dead to zoning, solid zoning himself, invis is broken if used in corner set ups properly, and more. um how is he worse then someone like lobo?
 
InFlames

InFlames

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maximusroman said:
ares has 50 50 mix ups, doesnt drop dead to zoning, solid zoning himself, invis is broken if used in corner set ups properly, and more. um how is he worse then someone like lobo?
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50/50 mix-ups that can only be used in the corner. Also his zoning is mediocre, he gets outzoned easily by other characters. Just saying.
 
maximusroman

maximusroman

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InFlames said:
50/50 mix-ups that can only be used in the corner. Also his zoning is mediocre, he gets outzoned easily by other characters. Just saying.
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since when is f3d2 and f3low sword only able to be done in corner? and you think his zoning is mediocre? trying zoning with joker or shazam
 
Cage Redfield

Cage Redfield

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maximusroman said:
ares has 50 50 mix ups, doesnt drop dead to zoning, solid zoning himself, invis is broken if used in corner set ups properly, and more. um how is he worse then someone like lobo?
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Lobo has a proper anti-air, huge damage potential, better movement, insane mix-up game and a helluva lot more than that. Ares has to air to air, doesn't hit as hard unless he corners you, and his wakeup game kills himself. Not to mention the fact that some of his most important strings are buggy (22 whiffing on crouching opponents, as an example) and having to take risks opening people up like MB godsmacks/112 low sword/d1 low sword. Lobo has tick throws with czar toss, the 21 xx low shot/2 xx low shot/21 xx czar toss mix-up, B12 and instant party crasher to keep the opponent in check, and a nearly full-screen hook charge mb that has armor which leaves Lobo at advantage on block or leads directly into his oki game on hit. Ares has very little mix-up game going for him while Lobo has mix-ups into mix-ups. Ares needs to take way more risks to get through zoning while Lobo just has to forward dash or MB hook charge (unless bane or superman are involved). Ares's corner game is hindered by the fact that you cannot launch a single sword or else you die. Lobo's corner game makes it so you can't move (thanks to 3's massive hitbox), the infamous instant air party crasher mix-up, and the ability to keep you in the corner very easily.

If I'm wrong on anything about Ares, let me know. I'll clear up any misconceptions about my character in return.
 
InFlames

InFlames

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maximusroman said:
since when is f3d2 and f3low sword only able to be done in corner? and you think his zoning is mediocre? trying zoning with joker or shazam
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I assumed you meant his wall variation off a standing reset, my bad. All of those characters have mediocre zoning, there is no better or worse, they all suck. lol
 
maximusroman

maximusroman

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Cage Redfield said:
Lobo has a proper anti-air, huge damage potential, better movement, insane mix-up game and a helluva lot more than that. Ares has to air to air, doesn't hit as hard unless he corners you, and his wakeup game kills himself. Not to mention the fact that some of his most important strings are buggy (22 whiffing on crouching opponents, as an example) and having to take risks opening people up like MB godsmacks/112 low sword/d1 low sword. Lobo has tick throws with czar toss, the 21 xx low shot/2 xx low shot/21 xx czar toss mix-up, B12 and instant party crasher to keep the opponent in check, and a nearly full-screen hook charge mb that has armor which leaves Lobo at advantage on block or leads directly into his oki game on hit. Ares has very little mix-up game going for him while Lobo has mix-ups into mix-ups. Ares needs to take way more risks to get through zoning while Lobo just has to forward dash or MB hook charge (unless bane or superman are involved). Ares's corner game is hindered by the fact that you cannot launch a single sword or else you die. Lobo's corner game makes it so you can't move (thanks to 3's massive hitbox), the infamous instant air party crasher mix-up, and the ability to keep you in the corner very easily.

If I'm wrong on anything about Ares, let me know. I'll clear up any misconceptions about my character in return.
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because you really have to jump at lobo. i heard his zoning and keep away game is too good to play against without jumping in. noted. and what insane mix up game? that trait mix up you get to do every once per shell loaded? lol
 
Cage Redfield

Cage Redfield

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maximusroman said:
because you really have to jump at lobo. i heard his zoning and keep away game is too good to play against without jumping in. noted. and what insane mix up game? that trait mix up you get to do every once per shell loaded? lol
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Are you really going to downplay the fact that he can actually anti-air in this game? Not that many characters can do that in this game. And I just told you about his mix-up options. 21 xx low shot is overhead to low (when traited, leads to full combo), 21 xx czar toss is an overhead to command grab. He has 12 xx command grab, b2u1 xx command grab, even d1 xx command grab. All of those are legit tick throws. It's nothing like Shazam's 22 mixup, where you can just immediately shit on him for trying this unless your character is just as shit as him. You HAVE to respect the tick throws. Then he has b12 xx Hook Charge MB which leads to an ambiguous cross-up setup (btw he can place the opponent in this situation in nearly all his bnbs), safe trait reloads in his bnbs to always have the 21 mix-up ready, the basic low hook/czar toss mix-up from a hook charge (low hook crushing all backdashes, even Black Adam's) and meaty czar toss being what it is, and a million and one ways to set up a meaty czar toss. And to bring it to the most basic level, he has b12 (which is +4) and leads to the mixup I mentioned above, or instant air party crasher in his pressure game and party crasher leads to his oki just like hook charge.
 
Gary Rez Syn Fairly

Gary Rez Syn Fairly

Noob
I will say lobo....even though I have lost to a few online....but Ive seen good Ares, and Shazam online! I wouldnt go saying Joker is better than Lobo either...it was a hard decision between those two.
 
Lumpymoomilk

Lumpymoomilk

Online Punching Bag
Lobo isn't really that terrible, the one area he really suffers in is against keepaway, running an obstacle course just to get to some characters can be frustrating but up close he can be dangerous, this patch should fix the keepaway problem, if he gets an actual wake up also he should be pretty solid.
 
Zoidberg747

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
like someone else said, with the exception of lex they all have their own issues that make them bottom tier.
 
Duck Nation

Duck Nation

Dicks with a future
I wish people would make the voters visible on these threads.

But boy, lots of people or going to be in for a rude awakening after the patch. "OMG THIS SETUP MAKES HIM SO BROKEN!!!" "Uh... he always had that."
 
P3irce

P3irce

Mortal
Jestan said:
That's my problem with Ares, I never play agaisnt him so I ALWAYS lose when I do. The character itself isn't that great though, specially now that there's videos of his wakeups getting blown up by most of the cast.
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Ares greatest strength is the fact no one knows his gimmicks right now, that being said I don't think there is a certain worst character because every matchup is situational, I don't think any of these characters are getting shafted where every matchup is like 4/6. There will always be bottom tier characters and these guys reside in this limbo.
 
Flagg

Flagg

Champion
Lobo is easily better than joker and scorpion and I'd say at least the ssame, if not bbetter than Ares and shazaam.
 
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