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If Kabal were fighting the IGAU cast...

Matix218

Get over here!
Wrong. Pressure means nothing in this game. When will people realize this? Characters have 4 meters for armor and push block. This thread really makes me think that people are stuck in MK9 or can't break down what Injustice really is.
Blockstring pressure is not why it would be good. It would be good for footsies wouldnt it? Given that he woudl be the only character in the game that does not have to commit to a dash and can simply instant-cancel out of it whenever he wants? It would be great for movement in this game, especially since the IGAU walkspeed is so slow and dashes can be punished for every other character.
 

Prinz

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If you get off a dagger and duck you will hit Kabal out of the air and be able to hit confirm the dagger into MB iceberg into slide from the right range. Outside of slide range you con confirm into regular iceberg and get inside slide range.
Key word is "if".
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
Blockstring pressure is not why it would be good. It would be good for footsies wouldnt it? Given that he woudl be the only character in the game that does not have to commit to a dash and can simply instant-cancel out of it whenever he wants? It would be great for movement in this game, especially since the IGAU walkspeed is so slow and dashes can be punished for every other character.
If I was Killer Frost against Kabal I could care less about how many times he dash cancels at me. I am only concerned with the times his NDC is going to lead to pressure. KF laughs at footsies.
 

SAREDODEVIL

Kombatant
Ithink,ifkabalininjustice,will bemedium-highlevel,would haveahardconfrontationwithkillerfrost,alsocouldbepunishedhardbyblackadamandthetop5ofinjustice
 

Matix218

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If I was Killer Frost against Kabal I could care less about how many times he dash cancels at me. I am only concerned with the times his NDC is going to lead to pressure. KF laughs at footsies.
I do agree with you completely but that is more of a Killer Frost specific thing rather than an IGAU on the whole statement. Sure there are probably 1 or 2 characters that could deal with it (or even blow it up like KF) but for the most part it would give him a good tool to use that the rest of the cast does not have access too in this game (cancelling a dash). I mean it was a good tool in MK9 as well but at least every character could start a dash and cancel it into a poke, block, move etc but in IGAU kabal even within the IGAU mechanics of having to commit to a f,f dash would still have that tool since his ND is a special move.
 

Prinz

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Yeah, I've never got a projectile off against a Kabal player in my life...luls.

Believe me, it happens.
It's not a matter if you do or don't, it's a matter what it gives you. You get one dagger, an iceberg and a slide to close the distance. You're at a slide's range. Kabal dash-cancels into your face, NDC's you once or twice and knocks you down with a 50/50 or throw. You're away again. If you block his saw/hooks or tech the throw, you're at a dash distance again. Situation resets. He can dash-back blocking. He can ND on reaction to your forward dash, maybe even hit you out of it.
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
I do agree with you completely but that is more of a Killer Frost specific thing rather than an IGAU on the whole statement. Sure there are probably 1 or 2 characters that could deal with it (or even blow it up like KF) but for the most part it would give him a good tool to use that the rest of the cast does not have access too in this game (cancelling a dash). I mean it was a good tool in MK9 as well but at least every character could start a dash and cancel it into a poke, block, move etc but in IGAU kabal even within the IGAU mechanics of having to commit to a f,f dash would still have that tool since his ND is a special move.
Yeah, I haven't thought about everyone in the roster. But I am more into arguing about Killer Frost with people who think she would lose because they are dead wrong. 9-1 hold dat.
 

Matix218

Get over here!
Yeah, I haven't thought about everyone in the roster. But I am more into arguing about Killer Frost with people who think she would lose because they are dead wrong. 9-1 hold dat.
Yeah, that may be the first time Kabal would actually fear his opponent lol
 

TarkatanDentist

Kombatant
The 6 frame punishers would only be good if Injustice chars could dash-in and cancel into 6 frame moves. Even Kung Lao has to dash-in and 21 after a blocked in close saw/hooks. Kabal would reset them with f4 on reaction to their forward dash, except maybe Flash. And armor is not a problem, MK9 has its share of it and Kabal doesn't give one derp due to meter building.
EDIT: Kabal's zoning would totally dominate any Injustice zoning too.
*picks Raven*
*use Empty Void a million times*
*thanks Kabal for the free meter*
*knocks him down, goes into Demon Stance, screws him over*
 

Konqrr

MK11 Kabal = MK9 Kitana
Nobody but teleporters would be able to get in. In mk9, you could stop your forward dash with block or a low at any point to duck the iagb... in Injustice, you have to complete your full dash animation and will get hit for 9% all day.

Everyone has armor, but so would Kabal.

Kabal would be the best character in Injustice... just that nobody would develop him into such a beast for a year or so when they are done patching the game... hey, isn't that EXACTLY what happened in mk9? food for thought.
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
It's not a matter if you do or don't, it's a matter what it gives you. You get one dagger, an iceberg and a slide to close the distance. You're at a slide's range. Kabal dash-cancels into your face, NDC's you once or twice and knocks you down with a 50/50 or throw. You're away again. If you block his saw/hooks or tech the throw, you're at a dash distance again. Situation resets. He can dash-back blocking. He can ND on reaction to your forward dash, maybe even hit you out of it.
ND on reaction to the dash I doubt it. On a read sure.

If his offense is going to rely on him doing NDC's into throw setups then that is a problem because I can 6 frame punish the NDC gaps with a 6 frame jab that leads to 35% and a 50-50 guess that leads into another 20+. Kabal can not zone KF with fireballs due to slide, which will increase the amount of ground saws. I read one ground saw correctly and it leads to an air dash full combo for 40+ into a standing reset and the same situation.
 

Prinz

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*picks Raven*
*use Empty Void a million times*
*thanks Kabal for the free meter*
*knocks him down, goes into Demon Stance, screws him over*
*picks Kabal*
*uses brain to play the game*
*sends Raven to her master - Scorpion, in the Netherrealm*
 

Prinz

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ND on reaction to the dash I doubt it. On a read sure.

If his offense is going to rely on him doing NDC's into throw setups then that is a problem because I can 6 frame punish the NDC gaps with a 6 frame jab that leads to 35% and a 50-50 guess that leads into another 20+. Kabal can not zone KF with fireballs due to slide, which will increase the amount of ground saws. I read one ground saw correctly and it leads to an air dash full combo for 40+ into a standing reset and the same situation.
ND may be done with a little delay too due to KF's dash recovery, which is an IGAU general rule. This would just have to be played to see how it works. But it's a possibility. And I doubt he'd stay at that range where KF can air-dash into full combo, but that's on the player.
 

RiBBz22

TYM's Confirmed Prophet/Time-Traveler
ND may be done with a little delay too due to KF's dash recovery, which is an IGAU general rule. This would just have to be played to see how it works. But it's a possibility. And I doubt he'd stay at that range where KF can air-dash into full combo, but that's on the player.
That is basically full screen more or less. Kabal can't stay in one spot on the screen the entire match. Jump forward + air dash covers a huge amount of the screen.
 

Prinz

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Anyway, I'm betting not so much on character specific options, but on game specific ones. Assuming Kabal has his speed, dash canceling into normals/specials, meter building from blocked normals and block button - he wins no doubt. Oh, and his trait is a breaker.
 

Prinz

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That is basically full screen more or less. Kabal can't stay in one spot on the screen the entire match. Jump forward + air dash covers a huge amount of the screen.
IAFB on reaction to air-dash->dash->full combo. It's doable.