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slothsftw

Mortal
1. you cant compare her to Joker or Lex because they are required to be in this game.
Yes I can. Them being more "required" doesn't have any relevance to joker having a good fight style whilst not being a hand to hand fighter.

2. i know her powers and idc about eye lasers or guns i just want characters who deserve to be in the game ad fit well.
She deserves to be in the game and fit well doesn't mean blend in. Characters who stand out fit well.

Zatanna is ging to play like a Raven Sinestro hybrid, 2 characters that almost nobody uses but for some reason we "need" her in the game? smh ok.
People do use them, again many use scorpion by your logic he is a good choice because many use him.
You don't know how she is going to play.



nobody uses the characters Z is gonna be like.....
I'm somebody, I use them.
 

Neclord

Kombatant
That wasn't the logic behind that at all. That is how you decoded it with your "I'm always correct" logic.

Zatanna isn't much of a fighter, therefore the logical way to make her would be a zoner. Martian Manhutner was THE top most requested, and is not used as much as people thought he would be.

Pure Zoner's don't get used that much anyway. Look at Cyborg.
I see a lot of Aquaman's online and in tournaments. There are tons of players out there who play zoning characters (including me), so basically if you say they won't get used anyway and they should stop adding them then you are a very intolerant person.
 

M-Aran-X

Mortal
Yes I can. Them being more "required" doesn't have any relevance to joker having a good fight style whilst not being a hand to hand fighter.


She deserves to be in the game and fit well doesn't mean blend in. Characters who stand out fit well.


People do use them, again many use scorpion by your logic he is a good choice because many use him.
You don't know how she is going to play.




I'm somebody, I use them.
dude, those arguments that you give are so old and lame. I've heard them in almost every request for fighting game characters and they always, ALWAYS end being bottom tier that nobody aside a few casuals use it. Take a look at arthur in marvel, same for every single crappy character that just an internet minority wants. You want a top tier? go with red hood, the same happened with vergil in umvc3, from miles away you can see who will suck and who won't in terms of competitive gameplay and zatanna won't be good, no matter how much you like her she won't be top tier.
 

randomdude

Master
dude, those arguments that you give are so old and lame. I've heard them in almost every request for fighting game characters and they always, ALWAYS end being bottom tier that nobody aside a few casuals use it. Take a look at arthur in marvel, same for every single crappy character that just an internet minority wants. You want a top tier? go with red hood, the same happened with vergil in umvc3, from miles away you can see who will suck and who won't in terms of competitive gameplay and zatanna won't be good, no matter how much you like her she won't be top tier.
/facepalm
 

Fred Marvel

It's actually Freddy Marvel
Yes I can. Them being more "required" doesn't have any relevance to joker having a good fight style whilst not being a hand to hand fighter.


She deserves to be in the game and fit well doesn't mean blend in. Characters who stand out fit well.


People do use them, again many use scorpion by your logic he is a good choice because many use him.
You don't know how she is going to play.




I'm somebody, I use them.
characters who are non fighters like Zatanna for the most parent arent in this game and shouldnt be, can they make a moveset for her? of course they can but they could make one for krypto too but that would still be a terribad choice. this reminds me of phoenix wright in mvc3 (apparently a ton of people wanted him) but not as bad, people wanted him but he mad no sense at all being in a fighting game lol.
she doesnt fit well because she doesnt fight she's not a fighter you can say she might have had a martial arts class or whatever the point is she isnt a fighter and never has been know to be one. theres a 90% chance she will be a zoner (what else would she play like?)
what? no many people dont use Scorpion and even if they do it doesnt make th character a good choice, Scorp was a horrible choice.
and being literal? ok haha


at least i have actual reasons for not wanting Zatanna in the game, most people who dont want RH just say no more Batman or he's Deathstroke or just dont like him. im not just bashing a character i just see what you guys apparently dont.
 

M-Aran-X

Mortal
/facepalm
facepalm bla bla bla. In marvel happened the same, so in every other fighting game. And you know what? Vergil and Zero are top tiers but characters like arthur or phoenix wright nobody cares. Same will happen here, just look who are the best and who are the crappiest. Thinking that zatanna will be good is being stupid.
 

M-Aran-X

Mortal
Marvel is the worst exemple you could take to talk about character balance (and I love this game)
you can add smash bros, street fighter, mortal kombat and so on too. Every fighting game had an episode with random people requesting characters that in the end nobody would use it.
 

SoundsLikePAUSE

Neptune's Beard!!!
dude, those arguments that you give are so old and lame. I've heard them in almost every request for fighting game characters and they always, ALWAYS end being bottom tier that nobody aside a few casuals use it. Take a look at arthur in marvel, same for every single crappy character that just an internet minority wants. You want a top tier? go with red hood, the same happened with vergil in umvc3, from miles away you can see who will suck and who won't in terms of competitive gameplay and zatanna won't be good, no matter how much you like her she won't be top tier.
Wait, why would Red Hood be top tier? Everyone thought Lobo would be amazing and look how that turned out. Then everyone was pissed at Batgirl being included and now she's one of the most used characters. There's no telling how good a character can and will be until she's released.
 

M-Aran-X

Mortal
it's idiotic to think she'll be low tier because she'll be a zoner, RED HOOD CAN BE A ZONER TOO. AND HE COULD BE A GOOD ONE. GET THE FUCK OUT OF YOUR BIAS.
Red Hood is guns/ knifes and gadgets. That fits the typical top tier style. People bitched just like you about vergil before being released and now look who is the king. Zatanna is in the same list of phoenix wright, you know how that's gonna end.
 

M-Aran-X

Mortal
Wait, why would Red Hood be top tier? Everyone thought Lobo would be amazing and look how that turned out. Then everyone was pissed at Batgirl being included and now she's one of the most used characters. There's no telling how good a character can and will be until she's released.
You already pointed out. "Batgirl" lobo wasn't going to be amazing because he is different while bat girl and red hood have styles so generic that they will be good no matter what. Same goes for super girl/power girl. Do you really think she will be bad? specially with f23 man here?
 

Niko Mar

Founding Member of the Fate Army
dude, those arguments that you give are so old and lame. I've heard them in almost every request for fighting game characters and they always, ALWAYS end being bottom tier that nobody aside a few casuals use it. Take a look at arthur in marvel, same for every single crappy character that just an internet minority wants. You want a top tier? go with red hood, the same happened with vergil in umvc3, from miles away you can see who will suck and who won't in terms of competitive gameplay and zatanna won't be good, no matter how much you like her she won't be top tier.
^This
Also, even though I would prefer Fate as the Kent Nelson version, I would settle on having a Fate/Zatanna hybrid. They could make up some story in Injustice of how she got a hold of the helmet by either the current Fate dying or some other way. This would give people Zatanna (who people want for some reason), but with a MUCH bigger variety of powers to put her up there. If Fate isn't getting in anyway, might as well.
 

MorbidAltruism

Get over here!
dude, those arguments that you give are so old and lame. I've heard them in almost every request for fighting game characters and they always, ALWAYS end being bottom tier that nobody aside a few casuals use it. Take a look at arthur in marvel, same for every single crappy character that just an internet minority wants. You want a top tier? go with red hood, the same happened with vergil in umvc3, from miles away you can see who will suck and who won't in terms of competitive gameplay and zatanna won't be good, no matter how much you like her she won't be top tier.
His argument is that there will always be players for any given character regardless of tier or request. Essentially he is claiming that the very notion is subjective. You probably hear the argument a lot because everyone has a different perspective on who should be in the game. It is utterly impossible to understand who will be good or bad based on the character. There isn't a correlation. Zatanna could be a great character. She could be top tier. She could also be a horrible character. She could be bottom tier. We can't make assumptions based on nothing. Ultimately her move-list and meta-game will determine whether she is a good character.
 

randomdude

Master
nope, just look at the roster: death stroke, batman, bat girl. all of them being used and being good. Just make the math.
You think deathstroke is good? i don't see batman and batgirl using knives and guns. so everyone should use knives and guns? how fucking boring and limited you want this game to be.
 
you can add smash bros, street fighter, mortal kombat and so on too. Every fighting game had an episode with random people requesting characters that in the end nobody would use it.
You seems to mistake high level player for casuals players.
A lot of people use weird characters, because they aren't tier w***e and actualy care about the fun and the character himself. Plus Phoenix Wright is the worst example you could take since ChrisG actually use him.

I don't understand why Red Hood fanboy are hating this much on Zatanna with their non-sense arguments.
 
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