NLBC Spooky Stream Drama

[haketh]

People acting like Chris supports the community more than Spooks are fucking delusional. That dude put the anime/poverty scene on his back for a long peroid of time. Without people like Spooks smaller scenes would ahve had a much much harder time back in the day.

 

[Zoidberg747]

People acting like Chris supports the community more than Spooks are fucking delusional. That dude put the anime/poverty scene on his back for a long peroid of time. Without people like Spooks smaller scenes would ahve had a much much harder time back in the day.

Who said that? I respect Spooky as a streamer and all he has done for the FGC.

That doesnt mean I have to agree with everything he does, and I sure as hell dont agree with this.

 

[godlessmode]

This is exactly why the new collusion "rule" which is more of a blanket, and generic policy is a very bad thing in it's current implementation.

There is no definition of collusion that can be applied by a TO to make a decision and have it be supported by a ruling. Instead it becomes TO versus community because the TO (in this case the streamer) has no ability to back up their decision or support their decision, this leaves it to be the TO/Streamers opinion vs whomever opposes their opinion.

For this rule to be an enforceable policy, one which doesn't result in negative outcome, it needs much more definition and some strict guidelines for both the players and the TOs.

It may even require players to register their teams/characters going into the tournament in order to validate whether or not they are going off "script".

Further, I firmly believe that these decisions need to be made after the fact and made with a comity/board instead of by a single individual in order to allow for reasonable decision making that is not liable to be influenced by an individuals immediate emotional state.

 

[Justice]

LBSH, spooky wasn't raging over the character choice. He raged (justifiably so) over the fact that the players weren't taking tha game seriously. That should never happen in a tourney. Consider my mind fucking blown that some assclowns would even consider this.

 

[Matix218]

If you are going to pot split thats fine...not ideal for the competative aspect of the fgc but whatever. Just please at least play it out and pretend to try...it is a tournament afterall

 

[G4S Silent Jay]

This is exactly why the new collusion "rule" which is more of a blanket, and generic policy is a very bad thing in it's current implementation.

There is no definition of collusion that can be applied by a TO to make a decision and have it be supported by a ruling. Instead it becomes TO versus community because the TO (in this case the streamer) has no ability to back up their decision or support their decision, this leaves it to be the TO/Streamers opinion vs whomever opposes their opinion.

For this rule to be an enforceable policy, one which doesn't result in negative outcome, it needs much more definition and some strict guidelines for both the players and the TOs.

It may even require players to register their teams/characters going into the tournament in order to validate whether or not they are going off "script".

Further, I firmly believe that these decisions need to be made after the fact and made with a comity/board instead of by a single individual in order to allow for reasonable decision making that is not liable to be influenced by an individuals immediate emotional state.

This is a really good point. I think having an actual set of guidelines for what is and isn't colluding would be more helpful then dropping the hammer on something that could be argued either way.

Even in this situation, there's a lot of "If you think it was *whatever the opposite side of here*, you're a(n) *insert insult towards intelligence and mental comprehension skills here*", when that's a myopic way to look about it and is NOT how any rule in a tournament setting should be carried out.

Although on argument does seem to be "it has nothing to do with character selection", but then you realize colluding was being called in this instance at the character select screen (sure, they played for a few seconds, but I think that was to see if they were gonna button check or if they were gonna try to play out the match). So in actuality, character selection does become a big part in it since most instances of people crying out "COLLUSION!!!", do so based almost entirely off of character selection.

I just think that the idea of judging "if someone is taking something seriously" or not is also just a dicey thing to make a rule on in most instances.


Again, I get why colluding/collusion isn't a good thing for the FGC as a whole, but the way the rule is set in place is just really sketchy to me.

 

[BEENEEWEENEES]

so you're one of these guys saying.....

Chris and San beat everyone and make their way to the GF of a weekly event... since its a weekly with not much on the line, they decide to have some fun and choose characters that they don't normally play... working on some stuff (this would be like if Pig played Sonya in the GF at Battle & Brew or if PL went to Console Combat and broke out Cyrax or Cage).... these 2 guys in the grand finals of a weekly, using some pocket characters.... start playing it out....

and to you, that is a 'mockery & waste of time" ?

everything would have been fine if they just played the game out... it would have been interesting to see... you know what made the whole thing a 'waste of time'? .... when spooky got up and pulled the cord out of the console.... and then went on raging with 'fuck this fuck that'... that was the only waste of time that happened at NLBC

it is NOT like the two examples you listed because they still had Marvel 3 to run and running the grand finals would have been a waste of time for anyone waiting to play Marvel given they were going to split the pot and fuck around with alts. it was already past midnight at the venue, people were ready to get the fuck home, spooky included. anyone can leave at any given time at BnB because there's only one game featured on the stream. this was not the case for NLBC. on a side note, if dudes at BnB were going to split, i promise you they'd have the integrity to ask FunkyP if it was cool to stream their match or whatever. jaxel used to end 8onthebreak tournaments immediately if there was a pot split; only when everyone was cool with it would he let a non-serious splitting grand finals be streamed. it is absolutely a waste of time.

 

[BrokenAngels00]

He didn't say get the fuck out as in leave the venue. He was referring to getting off his stream. He even said "not on my stream".

If the FGC wants to grow, there needs to be more professionalism and better sportsmanship involved. Nobody in the higher ups are going to support a community that can't be like that. This kind of stuff shows exactly how far away the FGC is from being where LoL and other games are at now. Dedicating yourself and playing a game 8 hours a day, and traveling to every tournament you can possibly make it to, is not enough to help push this scene to where people want to take it. Tbh, the fact that there's a negative response against Spooky, and people are acting as though TOs and streamers are trying to take away any sort of freedom the players have, when that's not even remotely close to the case, shows not only how far away playing fighting games are from being a profitable experience to the point of having it as a career, but how much people actually care about that goal.

And that's a damn shame, because there are so many hobbies out there that rewards talent and dedication by way of turning said hobbies into career pursuits, and being good at a fighting game isn't.

Keeping with the LoL comparison: you have to realize the LoL commentators and TO's, hosts, streamers, etc. would never be tolerated doing what Spooky did and screaming and losing his cool. Everyone on stream wanted to see that match, I'm not sure about the crowd there as I wasn't part of it.