Why zoning is such a problem in injustice..

[The_Atom45]

Learn. Adapt. Level up. Stop crying. "I can't dash in over and over without being hit with projectiles" is what I'm reading. I'm so glad I read the original post and last page. If you don't like zoners being as strong as rushdown, you have the wrong game.

- Im not crying nor did I ever I never said I had trouble getting hit with projectiles I said CASUALS did... But I usually play as scorpion now so I can just punish zoners and it's been working out well

 

[aj1701]

Sorry I worded that wrong. It NEVER stopped, but casual people started visiting. It's not JUST for hard core competitive fighters anymore.

Says who? And bunch of newbies show up and you think the purpose of the site changed? The people here want others to come out to tournaments and present a real challenge. People that want to learn to improve their game come here. If you want a casual scrub fest, plenty of other sites cater to that. Gamefaqs might be more your thing.

 

[The_Atom45]

Says who? And bunch of newbies show up and you think the purpose of the site changed? The people here want others to come out to tournaments and present a real challenge. People that want to learn to improve their game come here. If you want a casual scrub fest, plenty of other sites cater to that. Gamefaqs might be more your thing.

- duded there's no rule that says you HAVE to be a hardcore fighter to be a member and what is your problem? Why are you so hellbent on trying to make everyone feel like shit and make this thread even longer then I want it to be.. I can't believe this thread is already at 6 pages anyways

 

[aj1701]

I can understand both point of views. The easiest thing for you to do is to not respond if you don't feel like what he's asking is legit, or if it seems like he's being a whatever you referred to him as. Like it or not TYM is a popular site man. Maybe in due time he'll figure out what he's doing wrong, and fix. Maybe he wont. Maybe he'll m0ve on to the next game, but either way there's no need to insult. Casual or hardcore we need the community to grow.

I respond because I don't want the quality of the site to decline. I get he's new, but if no one tells him how the community works, the community suffers. Google "eternal September," that's what's happening here (except I hope the eternal part is wrong). I came here a newbie scrub too when mk9 came out. I read playing to win when an existing member told another scrub to read it. Its changed my game; I'm not a great player, but I'm much better than I would have been if I hadn't taken it to heart.

I'm pleading with all the new members, don't come here to whine and explain why you don't like something. Come here to learn and adapt and put in the work to improve. If you're not willing to do that then accept you're going to find people online or off that are playing to win, and you'll likely not win against them. That's fine too, but accept your losses and have fun anyway.

 

[ThaShiveGeek]

Says who? And bunch of newbies show up and you think the purpose of the site changed? The people here want others to come out to tournaments and present a real challenge. People that want to learn to improve their game come here. If you want a casual scrub fest, plenty of other sites cater to that. Gamefaqs might be more your thing.

lol. You sound super aggressive. Tone your voice down when you're talking to me first off. Secondly I don't consider myself a casual player. I'm just defending those who do because everyone was new at one point. I'm not responding to you after this though. I'm not into back & forth bickering. I do that enough with my woman. Good day sir.

 

[AYEAHMAN]

- thank you so much, it's people like you that make all the hate worth it... And I completely agree with you about the blocking being hard now I play on Xbox and the blocking is really bad because I use to play mk9 alot then I moved in too injustice where as there is no block butto so I'm still getting use to it... But yeah I do also agree that the full screen can be helpful at certain times. But I actually can get past zoners ( expect for sinestro..) but all the zoning just makes the game boring too me and that's kind of whys hat made me post this also was not to bitch but just explain what I thought was he problem ..

Yeah its one of those games that grows on ya after you get used to it. I love the game its my favorite fighting game now. I know you hate sinestro, but he is my main. I just dont sit there and spam fear blast and drop the rock all the time. I drop the rock on my opponents wake up and players who like to jump alot to do special moves in the air like supes and black adam. I use my fear blast on people who like to rush in on me like flash batman nightwing Etc. I have to because sinestro is not really a hand to hand player. he works best at half screen. Plus you have to work so hard with sinestro to get any damage, and his cool down after special moves is slow as hell. But dont let all these people get to you, just keep practicing and you will not be as upset with the game as you are now. Just remember you play with grundy in this game, He is like sheva in mk9 and zangief in street fighter. Slow but powerful. You have to have more than one character in this game. I say learn 3 characters in each class and you will do well. I play with everybody well but my best is still sinestro, and now zod. good luck man. to bad you play on money box, i would show you some things.

 

[NY_Jailhouse]

if you dont like zoning pick aquaman raven or ares. problem solved

 

[xInfra Deadx]

if you dont like zoning pick aquaman raven or ares. problem solved

Yeah...select two zoners to counter zoners...dat logic.

 

[NY_Jailhouse]

those charcaters are known as 'counter zoners'
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[Relaxedstate]

if you dont like zoning pick aquaman raven or ares. problem solved

Pick them or Scorpion, or Batgirl.... Even Doomsday has a mediocre teleport (with trait). Wonder woman, Flash, Shazam, and Catwoman all have parries or something of the sort to create projectile immunity (WW can actually d3 under a lot of projectiles : X). People could also just pick up a zoning character like DS lol

The only good zoner in the game is Cyborg I think. Some of the cast may be good like DS, but largely most characters have some sort of tool that allows them to get around it or counter it. Zoning wont be really powerful in this game once people learn how to properly use their character tools in the appropriate MU. And have some patience lol...but you can't really teach that

 

[Relaxedstate]

Yeah...select two zoners to counter zoners...dat logic.

These are anti-zoners dude. Ares doesn't 'zone' in the traditional sense.

 

[xInfra Deadx]

These are anti-zoners dude. Ares doesn't 'zone' in the traditional sense.

Ares takes up space when he's throwing shit...just like Cyborg.

 

[Relaxedstate]

Ares takes up space when he's throwing shit...just like Cyborg.

Yes he does and that is zoning. But against zoning characters (thread theme) Ares is one of the best counter zoners. He can teleport, he can do that full screen lunge reset shenanigans. And he can check with his own projectiles. Basically he gets in and doesnt have to play the Zoners dumb keep out game.

He has all the tools to NOT get zoned. So when you pick him against a zoning character, you are not picking him to out-zone them... you are picking him to counterzone them. Avoid the zoning etc etc... He isn't really zoning in these MUs. SO you aren't selecting a 'zoner' against a zoner. Now dats some logic

 

[nightw0lf]

Third argument holds actual weight...that is a legit thing boosting keepaway's viability. But considering that most projectiles in the game are either extremely disadvantageous on block, can be crouched, have slow startup, don't control much space, or are a combination of any of these (even all of the above), and on top of the fact that dashes in this game cover huge amounts of ground in such short bursts, results in a game where keepaway can only really thrive from mechanics such as pushblock, clash, and the like if said problems are not directly addressed.[/quote]

... you should tell superman about the slow startup on his projectiles, i don't think he has noticed.

 

[Dog With A Beer]

- yeah I guess you are correct but it's very hard maining a character with basically no zoning because I use Grundy and lobo a lot so it's just very hard to get past those overheads and full screen zoning.. But also chip damage is pretty bad to because by the time I'm able to get in a zoners face half my bar is already gone..

I feel you as I play Bane. As frustrating as zoning is on a character with limited zoning options it really comes down to patience. Typically characters without projectiles can do massive damage (Bane & Grundy included). It becomes about patiently defending and pressuring them into a corner. I usually lose 30-60% of my life just getting in on a good zoner but can do that dmg back to them in 1-2 combos. It's a hard but you've really gotta know how to get in and how to stay in on someone. Unfortunately that only comes from losing a lot. Just know that the further down the "tier list" you go the more patience and match up knowledge you've usually gotta have to win. And the corner is your friend. Hope that helps in some way.

 

[AK Harold]

Play Flash do not complain and win. Relaxedstate you should know better than to argue on a interwebs forum lol.

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

Good day sir.

 

[M-Aran-X]

this game needs a serious dash cancel like every damn other fighting game ever created. Seriously why dash can't be cancel into a block or another dash? or a hit? every other fighting game allows it! even mk! they should copy mvc3 where you can dash with two buttons and cancel it into anything. That would make the game way more fun and fast and would get rid of the zoning problem, oh and would save the game from dying.

 

[NY_Jailhouse]

^hahahaha

 

[shaowebb]

this game needs a serious dash cancel like every damn other fighting game ever created. Seriously why dash can't be cancel into a block or another dash? or a hit? every other fighting game allows it! even mk! they should copy mvc3 where you can dash with two buttons and cancel it into anything. That would make the game way more fun and fast and would get rid of the zoning problem, oh and would save the game from dying.

Meh...Im not sure on that. The more I play locals and run sets online the more I see that the stage sizes dont really allow for runaway if you just learn your character's dash and block and learn which projectiles you should jump instead of block...several convert on block into dashup offense for folks and its not just Superman.

Just learning what to jump vs what to block is the biggest thing folks should be studying in the lab on zoning IMO. Besides its not like this game has terrible footsies...folks just dont use everything properly yet. I never even see pushblocking and only a few folks use the equivalent FADC that we have in this game with bounce canceling. I just use those and either cancel into dash or MB them. They always fear the Mb because it'll go through offense and its plus on block so if I dash once I generally get to near mid screen or closer and can go for one and unlike dash cancels which would just force jumping even more this can force back dashes to let you pressure folks toward the corner.

I do wish the game had been designed for KoF rolls though because of the mixup potential it would have created in flurry situations but given the frame data in this game it'd break EVERYTHING and turn it to shit. Zoning would be ruined and pressure would be way too stupid. Hopefully a sequel someday tools things for the addition of that element though. It'd be cool to see folks have that in the corner instead of interactibles to rely on...especially in wakeup scenarios if they get held in blockstrings. I'd make damn certain you couldn't MB B3 or MB F3 after one though...that'd be broken as hell to leave MB options after a roll. Every corner pressuring would result in you rolled and stage transitioned and everything else would lead to a F3 combo. No roll should lead into armored bounces or transitions if they ever add it to a sequel.

(lol I got way sidetracked on various thoughts here...)

 

[M-Aran-X]

^hahahaha

laught everything you want, You know i'm right and that's the sad part. I love this game but compared to other fighting games, nobody is giving a crap about this one. Less people play it every day.

 

[MK_Salivial]

The common excuse for scrubs "I DONT PLAY ALL DAY!!!" Well then why did you make this thread? Laziness at its finest.

Stfu.

 

[NY_Jailhouse]

laught everything you want, You know i'm right and that's the sad part. I love this game but compared to other fighting games, nobody is giving a crap about this one. Less people play it every day.

i like it. a lot of other people like it, enough to have people to play with. What else matters with this shit? i dont want my game being like marvel because i stopped playing marvel. that game sucks

 

[M-Aran-X]

i like it. a lot of other people like it, enough to have people to play with. What else matters with this shit? i dont want my game being like marvel because i stopped playing marvel. that game sucks

I want it to be as popular as marvel because then the tech and the scene becomes way better. A game that nobody cares about is a casual game and I don't like casual games. Don't want this to become a casual forgotten game at tournys.

 

[Garr123]

Everything.