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Perfect Legend

Perfect Legend

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MITDJT said:
Kabal players mess up because we're humans :p, let's just get that straight. Also dnt need rax to beat kabal as I can beat any kabal with sonya and others beat kabal with kitana, lao, and etc. My hopes of beating a top kabal player is getting in on his ass and merking him (which I do). Also about the IGAU/MK balance thing, no fighting game is balanced so it doesn't even matter which one ppl "think" is more balanced, just play the damn games and level up.
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Kitana, Cyrax, Sonya, Lao, Kabal

There you go a 5 character game.
 
godlessmode

godlessmode

Noob
MITDJT said:
haha that is one thing, but pushblock gets him away, but he is still in position to put you back and you got to use a meter of course (which can come back to hunt you). But that is one viable option.
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Yeah. It's not perfect, but otherwise, you are probably stuck in the corner until you guess right/he guesses wrong.
 
Crathen

Crathen

Death is my business
Interesting how this topic was derailed since first page.

Do some of you guys realize Injustice didn't have a thing like location tests?Of course the game will be changed , would be stupid for NRS not to. People are giving feedback on what's too good or bad , characters will get nerfed / buffed and mechanics like interactables will be tweaked.

TTT2 had location tests for quite a long time in Asia and shit like Hworang TA "unblockable" either resetting the combo or making the combo very damaging was nerfed without thinking about it , players were saying this is too good tone it down , not DUH ADAPT.

Even IF there are 5 characters better than Supes don't worry , they are getting nerfed , it's not like top players don't realize what characters are pretty dumb compared to the rest of the cast , it didn't took long to see how Flash is hella stupid after 1.05 even without top players playing him , doesn't take a genious to see Batmans EX batarangs ( 5% chip and +38 frames , combos midscreen and in the corner) + trait killing characters with bad mobility , WW corner otg / b1 string / 33 / b2 , Green Lantern still having OTGs after Ex lift , Batgirls meterless vortex and safe launching 50/50 , Black Adam trait ( free damage ) + backdash + divekick etcetc.....

Good players are aware of the braindead shit in the game , call it out for what it is and don't start with this weak ass 90's mentality "deal with it" , sorry we're in an they can patch that shit.
 
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shoshinsha

Noob
KDZ
The problem is that Superman dominates almost the entire cast up close. As a result, when he backs off to zone, he gives the opponent two options:

1. Sit back and try to dodge the zoning, inevitably taking small bursts of chip or hit damage.

2. Try to work your way in, taking a little damage, only to have to face a superior melee opponent once you make it in.

It's lose-lose.
 
Doombawkz

Doombawkz

Trust me, I'm a doctor
godlessmode said:
Uh. He was asking how to deal with Superman in the corner? So, I guess you're right. You cannot use pushblock to help fight against superman in the corner when you are fighting against bane?
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I'm saying yeah pushblock can beat pressure from superman, but as a fun note such tactics don't work against Bane in the corner.
 
KDZ

KDZ

It's amore, BABY.
shoshinsha said:
KDZ
The problem is that Superman dominates almost the entire cast up close. As a result, when he backs off to zone, he gives the opponent two options:

1. Sit back and try to dodge the zoning, inevitably taking small bursts of chip or hit damage.

2. Try to work your way in, taking a little damage, only to have to face a superior melee opponent once you make it in.

It's lose-lose.
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No.
Superman is NOT even CLOSE to the most dominant point blank. He dominates from 1-3 character lengths away. Point blank a LOT of characters have options for him, either flat out beating him or making his life a constant battle.
 
ThatDragon

ThatDragon

Noob
Im not really known here but Id like to point out an example. Catwomen's B3 goes under supermans F23 for a full combo same things goes for BA B23. If your willing to look there are a few char that have very good anwsers to these said top teirs. Game is way to young to make rash judgements
 
cR WoundCowboy

cR WoundCowboy

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MITDJT said:
STOP: forgot shang tsung, freddy, liu kang, reptile, kenshi, smoke, scarlet, sector, mileena, and etc. IGAU has supes, batman, GL, WW, doomsday, black adam, Harley Quinn, green arrow, and etc. Both games has viable characters, STOP ARGUING PPL.
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I'd argue that each game has characters that are viable in SOME MUs. But then there are matchups that are absolutely terrible. Why not choose a top tier that does well in the same MUs the lower tier character does well in PLUS the matchups that they can't compete in. There is literally no incentive to use anything outside of the top 5. Some characters just don't have the tools to compete.
 
ForeverKing

ForeverKing

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Perfect Legend said:
Kitana, Cyrax, Sonya, Lao, Kabal

There you go a 5 character game.
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How can you say that when characters like Kenshi or Freddy or Cage win 6-4 against two or three of the characters you just listed above? Obviously it is not a 5 character game when you can choose characters that aren't even in those 5 characters and still dominate.

In honest reality, you can say this is just a one character game, because Kabal mops up every character in the game and loses to nobody and goes even with nobody. So at the highest level of gameplay if everyone is playing to win, everyone would use Kabal. But take Kabal out of this game..... And MK9 could definitely be a very character-variety game
 
YOMI MITYEAP

YOMI MITYEAP

Noob
WoundCowboy said:
I'd argue that each game has characters that are viable in SOME MUs. But then there are matchups that are absolutely terrible. Why not choose a top tier that does well in the same MUs the lower tier character does well in PLUS the matchups that they can't compete in. There is literally no incentive to use anything outside of the top 5. Some characters just don't have the tools to compete.
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I feel ppl should use who suits them. Look at SF4, a talented gen player just one evo. Hard work and dedication pays off in the end. Also there was a makoto in the top 8 of evo this year and balrog (and balrog has been nerfed a lot). You just got top 8 with shang despite all the bad mus he has. Next year in IGAU, I know we will see a character like raven in the top 8, it is bound to happen.
 
SUPARNOVAX

SUPARNOVAX

Low tier? I was born in it, molded by it
NLBC Injustice numbers are still pretty healthy I think. 15-19 average. I think it went over 20 when CrimsonShadow threw in the extra pot bonus but next week should be around 16-19 again.
 
ForeverKing

ForeverKing

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WoundCowboy said:
I'd argue that each game has characters that are viable in SOME MUs. But then there are matchups that are absolutely terrible. Why not choose a top tier that does well in the same MUs the lower tier character does well in PLUS the matchups that they can't compete in. There is literally no incentive to use anything outside of the top 5. Some characters just don't have the tools to compete.
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A perfect fighting game would have every single character in the game a 5-5 matchup with every other character. So people would actually choose characters that they like, not just choose a character on how good they are. But obviously it is way too hard to make a fighting game like that, I don't think any fighting game is close to balanced. Honestly I feel like MK9 is decently balanced compared to alot of fighting games tho

Look at Marvel, if you're not Zero Vergil Dante Doom Mags or Soul fist, your basically not playing lol. I don't feel like MK9 has come to that point yet
 
coolwhip

coolwhip

Noob
AK Pig Of The Hut said:
whats the difference of 2ndc vs f23 breathe?
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I actually think F23 is better than any Kabal string. But that wasn't the point of my post. It's not so much about Superman vs. Kabal, but about comparing the balancing of both games on the whole. And keep in mind, I'm agreeing with you that the top 3-5 in Injustice seem like a huge step above the rest, whereas, while this holds true in MK9 to some extent, we've seen that other characters can compete and they've done so. Hell, I'd argue that many of these characters can compete even more if we level up further at the game (for instance, look at how DJT approached the Kabal match-up). However, I just feel Injustice is still new, and while we know for sure that Superman, BA and Aquaman are top (I don't think this will change anytime soon unless a patch alters thing considerably), we just don't know how much other characters can compete quite yet.
 
SonicBoomBrad

SonicBoomBrad

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KDZ said:
Block ducking. If you see the laser touch your crouching body, stand and block. Dash after a whiff or blocked laser. Do this twice and you're now in range to interrupt a 3rd laser if they're bad, or to stop his lasers completely if he's good. Because pushback on block with projectiles is rare in this game, esp without meter, this plan works against most zoners. It works ESP well on superman.
Done. That's it. There's the secret.
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I wasn't saying Superman's zoning was as good as Guile's. Guile is strictly a zoning character with no other options. Of course his zoning is going to be better. I play Theo, Slayer, and Tyrant every week, I know how Superman's zoning works. If he mixes up his zoning between high laser and standing laser you actually can't dash at certain points. Not to mention if you stand block the high laser he's +20 or so. The problem with a character like Superman having this is that he also has some of the best options for rush down. I'm not even an advocate for nerfing Superman. I think he's fine. I'm just pointing out why he's so good, and why his zoning shouldn't be downplayed.
 
cR WoundCowboy

cR WoundCowboy

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MITDJT said:
I feel ppl should use who suits them. Look at SF4, a talented gen player just one evo. Hard work and dedication pays off in the end. Also there was a makoto in the top 8 of evo this year and balrog (and balrog has been nerfed a lot). You just got top 8 with shang despite all the bad mus he has. Next year in IGAU, I know we will see a character like raven in the top 8, it is bound to happen.
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Well yea, I'm not saying that there shouldn't be bad MUs or that it is impossible for a mid tier character to place. All i'm saying is that bad MUs shouldn't be impossible (Lex vs Sinestro, Sinestro vs Aqua). I just don't get why a designer would make some characters that have glaring weaknesses and others who have almost every tool you could ask for. It kills the game.
 
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