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Icebaby

Ice Queen
This is based on controlled studies, though, and as they say people fare better than chance even when they only see part of the face, or when they only see the eye region. The material he cites shows meaningful experimental results.
I think we need to put this to the test with some MK community member face photos. :p

The 'gaydar' is a load of steaming horse manure, to put it politely.
What do you think about this new discovery on telling if someone is straight or gay by their facial features?
 

TarkatanDentist

Kombatant
What do you think about this new discovery on telling if someone is straight or gay by their facial features?
Like I said - utter tripe.

Sexual orientation is not something that can be stripped down solely (or, tbh, even primarily) to biological functions. Social factors play a massive role in how someone's orientation develops. Exactly what role they play obviously varies hugely from person to person, but socialisation plays a far bigger role than biology IMO.

The 'gaydar', at least the way I've seen most folks use it, seems to be based mostly on sexist stereotypes on what men and women are supposed to be, with men that are seen as being more 'womanly' (or conversely, women being seen as more 'manly') being seen as gay. When, in reality, gay people share absolutely nothing in common beyond being attracted to the same gender.
 

Mikayel

Well-Known Gay Member
Like I said - utter tripe.

Sexual orientation is not something that can be stripped down solely (or, tbh, even primarily) to biological functions. Social factors play a massive role in how someone's orientation develops. Exactly what role they play obviously varies hugely from person to person, but socialisation plays a far bigger role than biology IMO.

The 'gaydar', at least the way I've seen most folks use it, seems to be based mostly on sexist stereotypes on what men and women are supposed to be, with men that are seen as being more 'womanly' (or conversely, women being seen as more 'manly') being seen as gay. When, in reality, gay people share absolutely nothing in common beyond being attracted to the same gender.
I agree a little with the second paragraph but the first one was a big nono :p
What do social factors have to do with someone being gay? and what exactly do you mean by social factors
 

TarkatanDentist

Kombatant
I agree a little with the second paragraph but the first one was a big nono :p
What do social factors have to do with someone being gay? and what exactly do you mean by social factors
To use a reductio ad absurdum, how often do you hear a hetero guy/lesbian say "Damn, I bet she's got an awesome clitoris", or a hetero woman/gay guy say "Damn, I bet he's got an awesome penis"?
 

Mikayel

Well-Known Gay Member
To use a reductio ad absurdum, how often do you hear a hetero guy/lesbian say "Damn, I bet she's got an awesome clitoris", or a hetero woman/gay guy say "Damn, I bet he's got an awesome penis"?
well i think i am not very smart coz i don't get the comparison lmao
 

Somnuse

Noob
I'll tell my lady I've been getting bodied by gay dudes.

Haha, for real though I don't have time to read the entire thread but I have gay family so you have my support. For some reason a lot of gay gamers are my friends online. I guess they're comfortable around me because I judge lightly, maybe a coincidence.

Anyway, game on people.
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
Like I said - utter tripe.

Sexual orientation is not something that can be stripped down solely (or, tbh, even primarily) to biological functions. Social factors play a massive role in how someone's orientation develops. Exactly what role they play obviously varies hugely from person to person, but socialisation plays a far bigger role than biology IMO.

The 'gaydar', at least the way I've seen most folks use it, seems to be based mostly on sexist stereotypes on what men and women are supposed to be, with men that are seen as being more 'womanly' (or conversely, women being seen as more 'manly') being seen as gay. When, in reality, gay people share absolutely nothing in common beyond being attracted to the same gender.
It has been scientifically proven that many people are born gay. Some maybe not but for most it is not a conscious decision, it is just who they are.
 

Akromaniac27

Ready to lose your head?
It has been scientifically proven that many people are born gay. Some maybe not but for most it is not a conscious decision, it is just who they are.
From personal experience, I agree. It's not a choice, at least not for me. I grew up in a Christain home, typical Hispanic family, so yeah, being gay was definitely not the norm in my household. Oddly enough being practically brainwashed through their religion(I put it like this because as a child, you have absolutely no say in this matter and your views are that your parents are what you idol, so you do what they do. You follow what they follow) it didn't embed itself. But that aside, growing up I did believe at some point that I would be punished for being gay, so I forced myself to take a liking to girls. I still remember guys I liked since 1st grade and onward, I already knew by that point what I was attracted to, but nonetheless, I tried to like girls as well due to the religion. So about the time of high school, I would consider myself bi, even though I favored guys a whole lot more. I had a few girlfriends, nothing serious, but even then it didn't feel "right". When I finally accepted myself(about the same time I said fuck it to religion), I felt so at peace. No more lying to myself at least, which is honestly a horrible feeling that you can't even be yourself with your own self. I got closer than normal with my best guy friend junior year, and our friends dared us to make out. Surprisingly he agreed, but after that it was dramatically different the feeling between the two genders.

Home life was still uneasy as my parents didn't know I was a "non-believer" AND that I was gay. Talk about a fucking mess if they found out. That drove me to wait till graduation and move out for college which I winded up doing. I knew my parents(meh, speaking solely about my mother) loved me, but I couldn't tell what the outcome would be given the circumstances. To me, I grasped the general message of Christianity and it confused me as to how so many just pick what they want from it and ignore the rest. That and how little love majority of Christians I've met actually have. I couldn't see the difference either between this and sexism and racism. All are human, people just like everyone else. Only a different gender, orientation, or skin color/nationality. I don't get what the segregating is all about. We're not harming anyone.

Anyways, so I spent a year in Florida. There I met great people, mainly my roommates, who pretty much became my family and I never experienced anything like it. A home that was free of judgement, free of religious bonds, and just so welcoming and loving. Around November, I decided to come out to my mom. I felt cowardly doing so, but I texted her rather than call. She texted back that she still loved me but I could tell it hurt her because we didn't speak for a few days and she normally called every night to see how I was(mainly if I was alive haha). After that it was awkward because we spoke as if nothing was said. Money matters caught up and I couldn't afford to stay in FL. She said I could always move back in and I pretty much had no other choice. It hurt leaving the one family that I felt at peace with, but I had no other otpions(though I did contemplate on doing porn for money XD). I get back, everything seems ok, but that constant little nagging for me to go to church was still there. As well as if we were together on the street, she would sometimes point out a girl and ask me what I thought of her -____- It's been about 6 months now since I moved back in with them but its like a slow knife. They say they're ok with it, as well as the non-believer thing, but the constant harrasment is still there. As well as the fact that its not like I can even be myself at home anyways. Can't even listen to rock that often anymore because they're so much more religious now and they claim its evil. I CAN'T EVEN PLAY MK SOMETIMES BECAUSE THEY SAY ITS DEMONIC WTF
 

TarkatanDentist

Kombatant
It has been scientifically proven that many people are born gay. Some maybe not but for most it is not a conscious decision, it is just who they are.
Being gay is obviously not a conscious decision - I think most of us can agree on that.

I vehemently disagree, however, that anyone is born any sexual or romantic orientation. Orientation is not innate.
 

Zoidberg747

My blades will find your heart
Being gay is obviously not a conscious decision - I think most of us can agree on that.

I vehemently disagree, however, that anyone is born any sexual or romantic orientation. Orientation is not innate.
You can disagree all you want, but facts are facts

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6519
http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20050128/is-there-gay-gene
http://www.livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html
http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregnancy/3641
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17904267,16143171,12836730,10763427,9549243?dopt=DocSum

Note that this does not include all gays, as there are many cases were the socialization process has a greater effect than the biological process. But that being said, it has been scientifically proven that Sexual Orientation CAN be innate.
 

Mr. Mileena

Champion
You can disagree all you want, but facts are facts

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn6519
http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20050128/is-there-gay-gene
http://www.livescience.com/2623-gays-dont-extinct.html
http://www.medpagetoday.com/OBGYN/Pregnancy/3641
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17904267,16143171,12836730,10763427,9549243?dopt=DocSum

Note that this does not include all gays, as there are many cases were the socialization process has a greater effect than the biological process. But that being said, it has been scientifically proven that Sexual Orientation CAN be innate.
A little late to reply lol, but I agree with all of this. It's not a choice.
 

Mikayel

Well-Known Gay Member
Well it has been proved (i think) that gay men and straight men, also lesbians and straight women's brains are different.
 

rev0lver

Come On Die Young
A little late to reply lol, but I agree with all of this. It's not a choice.
I don't think that's what he meant though. Even if it isn't biological it doesn't mean it's necessarily a choice. Biological factors and fetal development conditions are the biggest parts as far as i know, but there still might be normal developmental or environmental factors too. Especially with personal acceptance over being gay/straight/bi and behaving like such, moreso than the tendency to want to put your peepee near other peepees.

But even so the whole daddy issues or getting touched by your uncle as a kid ideas are proven bs.
 

Suzumebachi

For hearts long lost and full of fright
I don't understand people who think it's a choice. It completely baffles me.
Because I totally chose to be ostracized and looked down upon. I totally chose to be uncomfortable talking about my relationships to people who think my life is sinful or otherwise wrong. I totally chose to be a second class citizen without the right to marry whomever I love. I can't help that I enjoy penis. Get over it. Fucking heteronormativity.

People be crazy.

P.S. This thread is awesome. <3 Love the LGBT gaming community.
 

Mikayel

Well-Known Gay Member
I don't understand people who think it's a choice. It completely baffles me.
Because I totally chose to be ostracized and looked down upon. I totally chose to be uncomfortable talking about my relationships to people who think my life is sinful or otherwise wrong. I totally chose to be a second class citizen without the right to marry whomever I love. I can't help that I enjoy penis. Get over it. Fucking heteronormativity.

People be crazy.

P.S. This thread is awesome. <3 Love the LGBT gaming community.
nnn you went IN haha <3