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What "normal" gaming enthusiasts think of injustice EVO finals

ferncaz95

ferncaz95

Vicariously living through Dick
Regardless of what people's opinions are of zoning, you have to admit that any character zoning is boring to watch. Personally, it's why I felt the Melee finals were a lot more interesting than Injustice's finals.
 
ABACABB

ABACABB

End Of Humanity
Spam... Such a disappointment, but then again that's what people who don't know how to play do to win.
Fighting Game competition: Lets find the highest damage combo that a character can spam and do it over and over and over and over..................
Spam,spam spam this have to be the worst battle in the whole tournament
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lol ppl hate zoning so much
 
-Deadman-

-Deadman-

Getting better with age
As a person that understands zoning, and its purpose in fighting games,
this was still a boring grand finals. Its sad to see Superman so dominant because well... he's Superman.
Its almost as if NRS is reluctant to really normalize Superman or he'll stop being Superman.

As a whole, this game is too safe. When so much is safe, there's no risk.
When there's no risk, there's no blow up for taking said risk.
So as a spectator, it goes from being an entertaining idea to Tekken6 Bob vs Bob top8 all over again
 
Kiko

Kiko

Face it, you're done.
OutlawNightmare said:
I will never understand where this whole issue with "spamming" came from. Isn't the point of a fighting game to find a weakness in your opponent and abuse it? Its counter productive not to.

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I 100% agree however I also agree that Superman's zoning (just superman) needs to be toned down. A character that can out damage every other character in the game should not have the best zoning tools as well. Yes, I will say best zoning in the game because frankly it is.


If anyone dares to try and pull that frame data talk about how easy they are to avoid then I can refer you to the hundreds of superman laser spamming wins the character brought for a ton of people at EVO.

You have to understand there is a guessing game to it. He builds INSANE meter (can literally spam you and MB every 2-3 lasers).

His zoning is top notch. The air laser is a great AA and when it is used along the ground so FAST, you can confuse opponents to think it is the heat zap.


The mind game is sick but something about those lasers (just lasers honestly because superman's full screen presence is way too strong).


And please don't bring up characters that have an easier time than others dealing with it (ie. reflects and teleports, etc) because that is not the case with a lot of the cast.




#NormalizeKalEl.
 
OutlawNightmare

OutlawNightmare

Baneiac
I am thinking if the MB version of his lasers didn't hit overhead i would be ok with it. That's actually a pretty big hit to his zoning game.

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PANDA

PANDA

*Supreme Member*
"I couldn't play with these people...way too much spamming"

"Spam... Such a disappointment, but then again that's what people who don't know how to play do to win"

I can't believe some of this bullshit ppl post are actually getting upvoted by other noobs who think it's "spamming"
LOLOLLOLOLOLOLOL
 
PANDA

PANDA

*Supreme Member*
"I know this is probably a lost cause because most of you are all casuals. But I'm still gonna try and educate some people here.
What you guys call "spam" is in reality "zoning" which consists in controlling space and limiting options. You do it by occupying the ground or the air with something. e.g. Black Adam has good ground control and Deathstroke has good air control. It can be a projectile like in Superman's case, or it can be limbs (Dhalsim in SF) or it can be any move that presents an obstacle to the opponent.
Players mainly do this to build meter, protect a life lead, keep rushdown characters away etc. It is also part of "footsies" or the mid-range game. It's a conditioning tactic. For example in SF4 when Ryu keeps doing hadokens, you get tired of it and decide to try and jump over one but then he uppercuts you. The Ryu player is not the one lacking skill here, it's you. You were impatient and fell right in his trap. At closer range, you can't jump over fireballs on reaction, you either have to predict them or walk and block or focus dash cancel etc.
Casuals will never improve at fighting games until they realize that spamming is
not a stupid or noob thing, it's an obstacle/challenge that you have to get through like in any other game. For example, in Mario you have those cannon balls and fire balls moving around the screen. People don't complain that the AI is just spamming. They suck it up and accept that those obstacles are part of the level, it's what makes it challenging and rewarding. You just try to avoid the fireballs/cannon balls by playing smart and being patient.
In FPS you have snipers. Of course the same noobs that complain about spammers also complain about snipers. They say that they are just campers but real players like the challenge. You know you have to respect snipers, you know you have to take cover, you know you can't just run around in open field and be a sitting duck. You go around, you get inside houses, follow the walls, go underground etc. until you finally make your way behind the sniper, cut his throat and tea-bag him.
Well it's the same thing in fighting games! You have to work to get around zoning and start your pressure/combos. There is no reason to play fighting games if you just want to do your flashy combos without working a little to land it. If you don't want to deal with any projectile obstacle then you might as well stick to practice mode where there is no challenge to overcome.
Pro tip for Injustice: vs most characters, after avoiding or blocking a projectile you can do a full dash safely and block the next projectile in time. There are only a few exceptions to this rule (like Cyborg for example). Vs Cyborg's instant air fireball zoning, you have to walk, crouch, walk crouch more than dash or jump. Eventually you'll close the distance and it's up to you to keep them cornered or punish them if they try to jump over you.
There, I hope you all learned something today. If I just made 1 noob smarter then it was worth it. :)
So the next time you lose to a spammer, just accept that he was better
than you and try to do better next time. Otherwise you will always suck at everything in life."

lol Educate the noobs!!
 
G4S KT

G4S KT

Gaming4Satan Founder
When a filthy casual uses the word "spam", its not only to describe zoning.

To the filthy casual, anything can be spam. "Spamming" the highest damage combo, spamming block etc.

Trying to explain what's going on "under the hood" of a fighting game match is 100% over their heads. Don't waste your time.
 
STRYKIE

STRYKIE

Are ya' ready for MK11 kids?!
KT Smith said:
When a filthy casual uses the word "spam", its not only to describe zoning.

To the filthy casual, anything can be spam. "Spamming" the highest damage combo, spamming block etc.

Trying to explain what's going on "under the hood" of a fighting game match is 100% over their heads. Don't waste your time.
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Just a thought, did you generally get more hatemail for "spamming 3D12" than using resets?
 
SaJa

SaJa

FH_FenriR
Zoning is 100% legit, obviously it can be boring to watch for those who doesn't understand shit about it and I gotta say rushdown is always more impressive because you have more options in general. Zoning can seem cheap, obviously there aren't hard executions needed to do so most of the time but at the end, what we call a spammer will defenitly lose against a good player where a legit zoner will be able to win !

If people don't like projectiles they still can play soulkalibur, divekick or tekken.
 
OutlawNightmare

OutlawNightmare

Baneiac
SaJa said:
Zoning is 100% legit, obviously it can be boring to watch for those who doesn't understand shit about it and I gotta say rushdown is always more impressive because you have more options in general. Zoning can seem cheap, obviously there aren't hard executions needed to do so most of the time but at the end, what we call a spammer will defenitly lose against a good player where a legit zoner will be able to win !

If people don't like projectiles they still can play soulkalibur, divekick or tekken.
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They can't play divekick. Too many people spamming divekick. They only used one move!

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Vulcan Hades

Vulcan Hades

Champion
PANDA said:
lol Educate the noobs!!
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LOL I get so mad when I read comments like that. I know it's not even worth replying to them but I just can't stand the ignorance. Especially when EVERYONE is saying the same stupid things and getting like +70 likes. There was just too much fraudulence going on I had to say something. :)

Don't know why my post is all fucked up like that.
 
xWildx

xWildx

What a day. What a lovely day.
IMO, zoning isn't really boring unless the specials are boring, ala Injustice. In Marvel or SF zoning can look incredible.
 
Scoot Magee

Scoot Magee

But I didn't want to dash
I hear people say the same shit about finals in super turbo which is one of the best fighters around. People don't like what they don't understand.

For the record I do think superman is stupid.
 
Metzos

Metzos

You will BOW to me!
Dunno about you guys but i actually enjoyed the zoning MK9 offered. IGAU's zoning is a joke.
 
madmankiller3859

madmankiller3859

Getting back into the game.
"I couldn't play with these people...way too much spamming"
"Spam... Such a disappointment, but then again that's what people who don't know how to play do to win."
''i don't mind losing if its actually against a more skilled player not a spammer 'zoner' ''

These people obviously have never heard of zoning. You are a rushdown character, I am terrible up close. Shall I just sit here while you get in free combos? How about I call you a spammer because "all you can do is punch me"? I'll admit, if all you do is F23 Breath, I'll get mad. BUT, I can adapt and punish while all you people are sitting there raging.

I AM TRAPPING YOU, I know it works. -Zoner And I love the taste of salt.

"so you are all essentially saying that if you are a good player, you should ignore a blatantly effective move in your arsenal and force yourself to do a bunch of riskier, showier combos? if i'm armed with 8 grenades, i'm going to throw 8 grenades, not run up while twirling a butterfly knife and doing backflips."
Yay! At least 1 intelligent comment!
 
Onilordasmodeus

Onilordasmodeus

My GT: UncappedWheel82
Metzos said:
Dunno about you guys but i actually enjoyed the zoning MK9 offered. IGAU's zoning is a joke.
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I actually really like Injustice's zoning. From what I've seen lately as I've actually been paying a little more attention to other games, there are many FGs out there with unique zoning styles, and Injustice is just another one of those styles. I'm really liking Zod at the moment and the options that he brings. Where at first glance it seems at if he is "weak" in many areas, that is the best part as you have to be creative and "patch-up" the holes so to speak, and it is fun to figure stuff out.
 
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