Interesting... I'm assuming this is offline; I make no claims to online.I never want to challenge you KT but Marvaz could consistently punish me with johnny after b2 3 SB, he could also hit me with lui kang.
If you follow up a blocked Smoke bomb with d1, to get the whole punish window you have to add the disadvantage frames (at least 7) to the execution frames of d1 (6) for a total of (at least) 13 frames.If you're doing SB into d1 and get punished by superman then a 8f attack can punish this.
lol, thanks. I feel like I was playing really poorly and getting blown up. Wish I had recorded some casuals here at NEC; playing much better so far.nice work on the VSM stream last night KT I really liked the d1 smoke away. the cage match up is arrgghhh and what maxter did to cage scares me about the smoke-sektor match up didnt realize you can play THAT lame with him almost rivals smokes lame play abilities.
OK KT i did some more testing on thise. First thing to note is i have no idea what Liu Kand frame data is, but he could get me with his low starting combo or the high starting combo after a smoke bomb.So, an update on smoke bomb. It turns out that although it isn't as safe as originally thought, it isn't as punishable either. From what I can tell, Sektor is the only character in the game that can get a punish beyond d1 and d3.
I thought it could be punished with a throw, making the disadvantage at least ten frames. This is wrong, it cannot be punished with a throw; you can jump out if they attempt a throw punish.
While Sektor's 6 frame jab can connect for a punish, Johnny Cage's 8 frame jab can't which puts the disadvantage after blocked smoke bomb at 7 frames, making it decently safe.
I'm not sure I understand the issue... Youre saying you connect with b2 on the ground but then 3 whiffs?This is general Smoke user execution question, but i'm posting here to ask KT Smith.
I keep dropping b2, 3 like if I hit the b2 I won't hit 3 and if the whole string hits then the smoke bomb won't come out. I'm at a loss for what's messing me up (I can do it in practice mode just fine).
Any tips at all to get my execution up on b2, 3, smoke bomb?
No, I hit the b2, and piano my fingers to 3, then smoke bomb, but when I press them the 3, smoke bomb input just drops, or I end up getting a smoke bomb.I'm not sure I understand the issue... Youre saying you connect with b2 on the ground but then 3 whiffs?
Ok, if I'm understanding this correctly, I think you're inputting SB too fast.No, I hit the b2, and piano my fingers to 3, then smoke bomb, but when I press them the 3, smoke bomb input just drops, or I end up getting a smoke bomb.
It's more of an execution thing, maybe i'm holding the controller weirdly?
Ok that makes a lot of sense, yeah i'm used to doing all my inputs really quickly, so I guess slowing it down would help probably i'm used to machine gunning a lot of my moves into Smoke bomb so i'll keep this in mind next time I play.Ok, if I'm understanding this correctly, I think you're inputting SB too fast.
Sorry if this is redundant info, but SB technically isn't part of the string. You're 2-in-1ing it out of the "3" of "b23" and it happens to combo on a grounded opponent. SB will also 2-in-1 out of b2, so what I think is happening is that you're inputting so fast that the SB is being 2-in-1'd out of b2 before the 3 comes out.