Strategy - Shinnok Shinnok's Patch changes 8-31-15

[Creepy00]

Is it just me or you can no longer loop the hell sparks mb pressure, someone pls test this.

Can someone confirmed this? From what I understand, they has been unintended changes (?) to how RC work.

 

[Iced_Taz]

Well what you will do after F22 1+3 ~ bf1 ender ? I have some plan:

- risky: MB df2 for combo
- jp1 and then 50/50
- hell sparks and If I hit then MB
- forward dash and throw or 50/50 (when my opponent will start to respect other options)

what else ? any ideas ?

 

[Youphemism]

I'm butthurt because NECRO DIDN'T GET TOUCHED. Not even a fix on 312~DF4

Probably changes the juggle in 312. You guys should test that out as you use that string in necro and impostor.

Eh? 312~DF4 whiffs on males midscreen, like fuck do we use that lmao.

Doesn't affect imposter so I don't really care. Just wished they fixed the tracking on flick just a little. I also don't see the point of 31 being +2.

I think this could actually be a slight Impostor buff. After Mimicry do jip, 31. You get that guaranteed chip and then you have the choice between 312~ender, 31, F4~ender or 31, B3~ender.

 

[Bugman]

I'm fine with that. I don't use Bone Sharper anyway. It all about Imposter.

 

[Alright RyRy]

I am actually a fan of the dark beam nerf. This allows more "visual" mixups with this character.

After Restand Mix ups:

1. Do nothing and be 0.
2. End with Scoop and be right on top to bait the wake up
3. End with Shoulder and prevent a wakeup with a projectile.
4. End with Dark Beam and be +12.
5. End with Hellsparks and be full screen.

I am perfectly fine with this character after this patch.

 

[Braindead]

I am actually a fan of the dark beam nerf. This allows more "visual" mixups with this character.

After Restand Mix ups:

1. Do nothing and be 0.
2. End with Scoop and be right on top to bait the wake up
3. End with Shoulder and prevent a wakeup with a projectile.
4. End with Dark Beam and be +12.
5. End with Hellsparks and be full screen.

I am perfectly fine with this character after this patch.

Yeap we get to mix things again.

BTW if you do hell sparks after the restand you don't get the unblockable ground pound setup. Gravity becomes too heavy and they stand up too fast.

I might start ending combos with F22 xx Hell sparks again occasionally to go for the unblockable and try to catch people off guard.

 

[SaSSolino]

I am actually a fan of the dark beam nerf. This allows more "visual" mixups with this character.

After Restand Mix ups:

1. Do nothing and be 0.
2. End with Scoop and be right on top to bait the wake up
3. End with Shoulder and prevent a wakeup with a projectile.
4. End with Dark Beam and be +12.
5. End with Hellsparks and be full screen.

I am perfectly fine with this character after this patch.

if only that -12 was a -8, I'd love this patch in the same way. I liked doing the MBshoulder into scepter tho :<

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

Shinnok's damage was stealth nerfed. Everything using f22 does less damage

 

[SaSSolino]

Shinnok's damage was stealth nerfed. Everything using f22 does less damage

Yo for real? You sure?

 

[HanSolo]

How badly? I feel like his actual damage is one thing that shouldn't have been nerfed.

 

[DownfouralitY]

Shinnok's damage was stealth nerfed. Everything using f22 does less damage

I thought it was damage on the scoop that got nerfed, but I guess not. I don't see why a damage nerf was needed for Shinnok out of all characters lol

 

[xInfra Deadx]

I thought it was damage on the scoop that got nerfed, but I guess not. I don't see why a damage nerf was needed for Shinnok out of all characters lol

F2,2,1+3 is pretty much on par with 1,1,2 and standing 4 as far as damage goes.

 

[DownfouralitY]

F2,2,1+3 is pretty much on par with 1,1,2 and standing 4 as far as damage goes.

Yeah, I guess it was to make combos scale more when you use f221+3 as an ender? Idk the point of the nerf really it's not like Shinnok was doing ridiculous damage

 

[usedcarsalesmang]

lol shinnok still has pseudo guaranteed pressure after his restand F221+3xxDarkBeam

you just have to quickly run up before you do F41D2

opponents only way out is a very very very small armor window.

tested vs Sub Zero. beats backdashes and jumps

 

[Invincible Salads]

looks like im putting shinnok down, it was fun while it lasted

 

[YGDWaffles]

looks like im putting shinnok down, it was fun while it lasted

lol wut can't tell if sarcasm or if you're serious. Netherealm were generous gods for us, Shinnok still is more than fine, now he's just semi braindead instead of 110% braindead

 

[SaSSolino]

so who's better between impostor and bs now? where can you find them in the tier list?

 

[CL_ZBFD]

so who's better between impostor and bs now? where can you find them in the tier list?

I'd say they're in the top third of the roster, neither top ten.

 

[LavaG]

Are people ignoring the fact that you can now armor after meter burning the 1st hell spark, it has more push back now

 

[TamedLizard]

I'm fine with these changes except the damage nerf on F221+3.

But I guess it's not a deal breaker. Always fancied Imposter myself.

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

@LavaG is correct. Shinnok no longer gets a free f4 after hellspark due to pushback. Enjoy your mid tier character, i'm out lol.

 

[legion666]

@LavaG is correct. Shinnok no longer gets a free f4 after hellspark due to pushback. Enjoy your mid tier character, i'm out lol.

You serious?!?) it isn't guaranteed anymore....WTF?!? Why change that?!?!
Well, I have already jumped ships to Quan Chi, he was my secondary but I was going to main him if he ever got a fast poke which he now does)

 

[Braindead]

Are people ignoring the fact that you can now armor after meter burning the 1st hell spark, it has more push back now

@LavaG is correct. Shinnok no longer gets a free f4 after hellspark due to pushback. Enjoy your mid tier character, i'm out lol.

Sweet, more stealth nerfs...

 

[LavaG]

RIP impostor

 

[Braindead]

Are you guys sure it's not due to the run cancels screw up?