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JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
Yea. I understand that it is something that I will never understand unless I have personal experience with it. Its just how when I heard about these females coming out about R Kelly doing things to them when some of them went with him willingly and then later said that wasnt the case or Bill Cosby and how long it took for some of these women to come out and say what happened to them. Its just something I cant process because I have never had that way of thinking.
All you have to worry about is doing whats right. If you see something, say something. You don't need a movement for that. It's called being a good human being.
 
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]Apparently Gllty has been known to be a damn predator FOR YEARS! Even going to Anime events, GETTING KICKING OUT BTW, because of how she creeps on women.
I don't know how realistic my idea is but if there isn't one already, there needs to be a sort of network where if a person is reported as having been kicked out of a convention for doing something bad word should be passed to other convention via some event network to blacklist them. If such a system is in place then it seems to have failed.
 

SixPathsOfHate

Make triple skulls input BDF or DF Hold F
I don't know how realistic my idea is but if there isn't one already, there needs to be a sort of network where if a person is reported as having been kicked out of a convention for doing something bad word should be passed to other convention via some event network to blacklist them. If such a system is in place then it seems to have failed.
It aint hard to change your appearance and get a new name. Some musicians do it to when their career fails and they want to start over.
 

JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
I don't know how realistic my idea is but if there isn't one already, there needs to be a sort of network where if a person is reported as having been kicked out of a convention for doing something bad word should be passed to other convention via some event network to blacklist them. If such a system is in place then it seems to have failed.
Maybe because the person ran it was afraid of the backlash. I still need to talk more to that person but all I know is people been known about Gllty's behavior. Its just never been public until now.
 

Marlow

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There are people who go to jail for years of their life because of accusations. Im even saying it happens often but this is people's lives we are talking about. I couldnt imagine having that kind of weight on my shoulders. Not only that but with social media being the blood sucking worm that it is, those people who do get falsely accused dont return to their normal lives and will forever be scarred. Look at the VA for Broly, Vic.

According to the National Registry of Exonerations, since records began in 1989, in the US there are only 328 cases where men convicted of sexual assault were exonerated because it turned out they were falsely accused. That's out of 2479 exonerations in that time period. It certainly does happen, but it's super rare. False accusatons are obviously a bad thing, but it's a smaller problem, especially compared to the problem of people choosing not to report when they've been victimized.

Vic Mignogna is doing fine. He hasn't face any legal repercussions, he's already made quite a living for himself, his fans just raised $230K for a legal defense fund, and he's still doing signing events. As far as I know he's still pursuing voice acting work currently, and he's probably still going to have plenty of voice acting opportunities in the future. We also don't know for sure if he's actually been falsely accused. To my knowledge he hasn't been cleared of anything yet.
 

SixPathsOfHate

Make triple skulls input BDF or DF Hold F
According to the National Registry of Exonerations, since records began in 1989, in the US there are only 328 cases where men convicted of sexual assault were exonerated because it turned out they were falsely accused. That's out of 2479 exonerations in that time period. It certainly does happen, but it's super rare. False accusatons are obviously a bad thing, but it's a smaller problem, especially compared to the problem of people choosing not to report when they've been victimized.

Vic Mignogna is doing fine. He hasn't face any legal repercussions, he's already made quite a living for himself, his fans just raised $230K for a legal defense fund, and he's still doing signing events. As far as I know he's still pursuing voice acting work currently, and he's probably still going to have plenty of voice acting opportunities in the future. We also don't know for sure if he's actually been falsely accused. To my knowledge he hasn't been cleared of anything yet.
Dont like that you included just men because people seem to have this idea that women arent capable of sexually harassing men or other women but that was probably just an oversight. Not everyone gets to be as lucky as Vic and still have a chance at a good life. My issue is that even if that chance is rare its still not a chance I am willing to take.
 

Marlow

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Dont like that you included just men because people seem to have this idea that women arent capable of sexually harassing men or other women but that was probably just an oversight. Not everyone gets to be as lucky as Vic and still have a chance at a good life. My issue is that even if that chance is rare its still not a chance I am willing to take.
That 328 includes men and women, I'm sure. Consider it an oversight.
 

Vslayer

Juiced Moose On The Loose
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yep, and fuck them that good, when they agree with , and is a consensual agreement from both parts, hehe .... :p:D
Not a lot of people would admit this, but yes, women aren't delicate flowers XD

Very few people actually get their lives ruined over false accusations.
My friend was falsely accused and now he's a registered sex offender and can't leave the country all because his ex was pissed at him.
 

Marlow

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My friend was falsely accused and now he's a registered sex offender and can't leave the country all because his ex was pissed at him.
That sucks for him. He was convicted in a court of law though, was he not? I'm not as familiar with the Canadian legal system, but it's not like he was simply accused and added to the registry without getting his due day in court. Hopefully he can get things cleared up. Like I said, it certainly does happen. Doesn't change the facts. Doesn't mean it's still not a rare occurrence.
 

Vslayer

Juiced Moose On The Loose
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That sucks for him. He was convicted in a court of law though, was he not? I'm not as familiar with the Canadian legal system, but it's not like he was simply accused and added to the registry without getting his due day in court. Hopefully he can get things cleared up. Like I said, it certainly does happen. Doesn't change the facts. Doesn't mean it's still not a rare occurrence.
Yeah, that's true, he was found guilty but based on what evidence? They were both drunk so hey I don't know. Maybe he did it, I honestly don't wanna know. But it's still hard to make a ruling when you weren't there especially if both parties were drunk.
 

Enexemander

A Hitbox Pirate - YARRR -
People can be and are falsely accused. Accusations should be taken seriously, but it is ALWAYS innocent until proven guilty.
There is a sentiment out there that women somehow cannot or will not lie about sexual assault under any circumstances. Sorry to say that this is false. Women are in fact human, and can lie.
I know we all want to be advocates, but please realize that thinking women are incapable of deceit is sexism wearing a different mask.
Trust, but verify.
 
According to the National Registry of Exonerations, since records began in 1989, in the US there are only 328 cases where men convicted of sexual assault were exonerated because it turned out they were falsely accused. That's out of 2479 exonerations in that time period. It certainly does happen, but it's super rare. False accusatons are obviously a bad thing, but it's a smaller problem, especially compared to the problem of people choosing not to report when they've been victimized.

Vic Mignogna is doing fine. He hasn't face any legal repercussions, he's already made quite a living for himself, his fans just raised $230K for a legal defense fund, and he's still doing signing events. As far as I know he's still pursuing voice acting work currently, and he's probably still going to have plenty of voice acting opportunities in the future. We also don't know for sure if he's actually been falsely accused. To my knowledge he hasn't been cleared of anything yet.
Well, for one, he hasn't been PROVEN to have done anything yet. That's how we work in the civilized world; Innocent until proven guilty.
Second, if you really dive into his whole thing, there's basically mountains of evidence against the accusations at him and mountains in favor of him actually just being a swell dude.
 

NeonGroovyGator

Vampire mommy simp
The main problem with sex related crimes is that the amount of evidence is usually minimal when compared to other serious crimes, so that's why the victim's word is taken more seriously. When you add that with victims usually taking a while to speak up because human beings are awful and definitely will blame sex crime victims, you can see why it's hard to judge stuff like that.
Since I personally care a lot more about 1. making the victim feel safe and taken care of and 2. having each other's backs than punishing people, I think that's what society should focus on more. However, based on this thread alone, it's easy to see why we can't expect society to take care of rape victims either.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
My friend was falsely accused and now he's a registered sex offender and can't leave the country all because his ex was pissed at him.

Wow that's beyond Fu%&*# up. That's horrible and I feel bad for your friend. See this is why and it's happened here in the USA too but you don't hear about it, it's why with this whole "metoo movement going on" I'm skeptical about these stories unless there's actual, hard evidence. I feel like people forgot how the law works, you're innocent until proven guilty not the other way around. Sadly that's what it's come down to now days. It's why and a prime example of this is the Kesha case, I'm 99% sure she lied because she first even said the guy she got involved with music wise with her contract "never raped her" then she gets locked into a Sony contract with the guy and all of a sudden "oh yeah uh he raped me" she just tried to lie to get out of that contract not a doubt in my mind, the case got dismissed due to lack of evidence and her story not being consistent with things she's said in the past about him.

There was a local case near me too at a NY college, this one bitch tried to lie and say her ex raped her along with others on the football team so they suspended him or took him off the team but further investigation proved she lied and then she admitted it just to get back at her ex because he broke up with her or something. This is why IMO the metoo movement is a bad thing at times because people try to take advantage of the whole "oh we live in a world now where people believe women now anyway so I'll just lie and screw up this guys career, name etc" It was the same with Mattress girl, she lied just to make a statement. Thankfully in some states they go to jail for that since that's a serious accusation not to be taken lightly.

Of course don't get me wrong, if someone is raped, abused etc they should report it and that person should be brought to justice. But if someone is found lying about that shit too they need to also be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. This should coincide with the newer laws regarding "revenge porn" well what about "revenge lies" just to ruin someone? To me it's no different.
 

Marlow

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Well, for one, he hasn't been PROVEN to have done anything yet. That's how we work in the civilized world; Innocent until proven guilty.
That's fine, since he hasn't faced any legal repercussions yet. Innocent until proven guilty is a legal standard. It applies in the court of law.
 

JBeezYBabY

Mr. Righteous
That's fine, since he hasn't faced any legal repercussions yet. Innocent until proven guilty is a legal standard. It applies in the court of law.
Unfortunately in the court of public opinion its the opposite. Thats the downside to things like this when somebody is outed. So just like somebody said, I encourage everybody to get both sides of the story. But alot of these muthafuckas are coming out with confessions like WTF!?
 

gam224

The world's least hype player
Ykes. Just looked through the entire thread. While I am all for catching these monsters and having them confess to their crimes.
We need to realize that this should all be done LEGALLY. Going on social media and throwing out names is how some people's lives get ruined and not all are guilty. As much as I want to believe the victim in these situations I will always listen to both sides because only those people were there and if only one is talking there is more to the situation than is let on.

This doesnt apply to situations like Gllty and those that she has harassed because both sides have been said and there was a conclusion and the truth was revealed. Not every story is like that.

Dont go online and post about how someone may have drugged you or harassed you. Take it up with the legal system first, get everything settled then go screaming online once things have been determined to be 100% true or as close to 100% as possible. This is even more especially true when there are a large number of people who enjoy being the victim and would do vile things like fake deadly illness for sympathy.
There is no “beyond a reasonable doubt “ stipulation within the court of society. We can and should call out those who have but be careful not to ruin someone’s life on a hunch.
 
Wow that's beyond Fu%&*# up. That's horrible and I feel bad for your friend. See this is why and it's happened here in the USA too but you don't hear about it, it's why with this whole "metoo movement going on" I'm skeptical about these stories unless there's actual, hard evidence. I feel like people forgot how the law works, you're innocent until proven guilty not the other way around. Sadly that's what it's come down to now days. It's why and a prime example of this is the Kesha case, I'm 99% sure she lied because she first even said the guy she got involved with music wise with her contract "never raped her" then she gets locked into a Sony contract with the guy and all of a sudden "oh yeah uh he raped me" she just tried to lie to get out of that contract not a doubt in my mind, the case got dismissed due to lack of evidence and her story not being consistent with things she's said in the past about him.

There was a local case near me too at a NY college, this one bitch tried to lie and say her ex raped her along with others on the football team so they suspended him or took him off the team but further investigation proved she lied and then she admitted it just to get back at her ex because he broke up with her or something. This is why IMO the metoo movement is a bad thing at times because people try to take advantage of the whole "oh we live in a world now where people believe women now anyway so I'll just lie and screw up this guys career, name etc" It was the same with Mattress girl, she lied just to make a statement. Thankfully in some states they go to jail for that since that's a serious accusation not to be taken lightly.

Of course don't get me wrong, if someone is raped, abused etc they should report it and that person should be brought to justice. But if someone is found lying about that shit too they need to also be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law. This should coincide with the newer laws regarding "revenge porn" well what about "revenge lies" just to ruin someone? To me it's no different.
That's the special skill of shitty people they will take anything, no matter how good the original intentions were, and twist it to their own advantage thus ruining it for others.
 

Marlow

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Unfortunately in the court of public opinion its the opposite. Thats the downside to things like this when somebody is outed. So just like somebody said, I encourage everybody to get both sides of the story. But alot of these muthafuckas are coming out with confessions like WTF!?
Absolutely. Getting both sides is great. At the same time, if there is a credible person, or credible people, making an accusation, then I think it's worth listening to them and giving them the benefit of the doubt.

In the case of the FGC, I really hope the TO's do their due diligence and try to hear both sides of the story. But if the alleged victim seems credible, then I think it's fine for the TO to make a decision to ban the alleged offender from the tournament, or whatever action they see fit to try and keep their event safe. TO's don't need to have a standard of innocent until proven guilty, they can just act based on the evidence they have. If the person is able to clear their name, great, they can be welcomed back with open arms.
 

MKF30

Fujin and Ermac for MK 11
That's the special skill of shitty people they will take anything, no matter how good the original intentions were, and twist it to their own advantage thus ruining it for others.
Yeah pretty much, it's messed up. Like some people can't tell the difference between ione thing to get back at someone but another to ruin their entire life.
 

gam224

The world's least hype player
Yeah, that's true, he was found guilty but based on what evidence? They were both drunk so hey I don't know. Maybe he did it, I honestly don't wanna know. But it's still hard to make a ruling when you weren't there especially if both parties were drunk.
Under title 9 in the US you can’t even consent to sex if you’re drunk. It’s the reason why I don’t attend any parties despite being in college.