st9rm
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what exactly does this character not have to be called s+?
what exactly does this character not have to be called s+?
I feel like cassie beats him as well.what do you think?
Only characters w low profiling down pokes can do that , don't act like 90% of the cast has them. Is blocking a LOW POKE bad when you have a 9 frame mid that armor breaks and a 10 frame f2 that goes into guaranteed chip into frametraps? Also everyone that doesn't low profile it has to deal with the Dragon roar / dragon kick guess on knockdowns and both are safe on block , get real.
Don't get hostile. Fun fact, did you know that Quan chi has an easier time getting out of pressure then Liu Kang?
The hell are you saying? Almost the whole cast can low profile his db2. EVERYONE can neutral duck his flying kick. So youll use f44 and b2 when? Im talking about the corner. You're probably one of the type that thinks hes "op" and never hits the lab. Didnt say he didnt have options. Im talking about his armor moves genius. Db2 seriously needs to be fixed too btw.
Thats tym, if you dare say the character that people say are broken have weaknesses you get attacked. Im actually having a similar discussion on twitter with footwurk and PL about this and they literally feel the same way. But hey, dont sing the same tune and its either "downplay" or you dont know what you're talking about. I see why top players avoid this site tbh
If people mash downpokes that low profile on your wakeup Liu has plenty of options , first off backdash ( and it's good enough backdash not some trash tier backdash ) , second block and counterpoke , third EX dragon kick gets you out of the corner if whiffed and not everyone has an easy time punishing that. What are you suggesting to all the character that can't low profile his wakeup? Duck and wait for him to wakeup dragon kick ? Dragon Roar. Neutral Jump his wakeup? Block or EX dragon kick gets you out. Seriously i've labbed him hella times and you can't deny he has good armor moves , safeish ones at that too.
I guess you're talking about that 6 frame d1 and in some situations i can agree , but you know Kang has a 6 frame launcher w f1 that can interrupt block pressure. Even if people mashed downpokes EX dragon kick will fly him to the other side of the stage and be safe and start zoning again , also EX dragon kick armor breaks hella just in case.I'm not angry lol just saying my 2c on the subject
What 'dirt' does Kung Lao have?
Is a plus 12 (-3 not EX) option select not dirt?
If having bad options against pressure is a reason for considering him not top, then Lao shouldn't be either, in theory spin attempts are more of a bad trade off for the Lao player than their opponent.
Agreed, though the 6f is a high it does have some good uses now that ive been using it more. Its just funny that because some people dont see him as s+++ tier its downplay even when people say hes a STEP below it (at S). I think lao personally has better tools and better ways around characters and that's what makes him top. A way to get around a lot of situations. His spin is very punishable but it DEMANDS respect for everyone and the fear of that alone can stop a lot of pressure. I'm not saying liu is bad, he just gives out pressure that he can barely handle when its thrown back at him imo
Quick question: The only time I can't armor through a spinning hat cancel is when?
This pretty much is my major complaint about LK. If he's far away then I'm dealing with Guile level fireballs. I've jumped over them only to see LK walk back and respond with whatever he wants. If you're character doesn't have a forward moving armor or air movement it's a bad time. Then at ANY point he can flying kick just to be in. Which is odd because I thought all fast forward moving specials were supposed to be unsafe in NRS land. Then he initiates his gameplan of making you block to win. Whatever slight issue he has with normals or whatever doesn't matter because all his other tools work perfectly fine.
Why not Cassie or Johnny Cage? Someone with better mixups or arguably better pressure?
It's funny how sometimes I can't find these trade offs for some characters. But Lui Kang has them and somehow still sneaks his way to the top. Why do you think his reversals are bad?
His weaknesses are real though. S+ or S is moot. Cage is probably better anyways and nobody talks about him. Why is that?
His weaknesses are overshadowed by his zoning , guaranteed blockstring , meterbuilding , good enough armor options is what i'm saying. Cage would probably be as good as Liu if his zoning was on par with his , you can say Cage has better footsies when in f3 range and i somewhat agree but Liu has a slightly better air game , doesn't need to do highs to armor break , has better walkspeed. Like imo Liu Kang literally wins the Cage matchup just because his zoning destroys Cage space control anywhere outside f3 range and gets to pressure with his cancels more than Cage purely because of his control of the pace.
You're entitled to your opinon but i still think its 100% wrong.