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Match-up Discussion Juicy VIII.c: My Final(ized) MU chart

cR_whiteboi

Jobbers are mouthpieces for gods.
If I ever go for reversal he can just wakeup mbf3 and blow it up so it's a 50/50 that's in his favor. If I don't reverse his wakeups ill get hit by lift I'm in the grinder.
After I knock him I just have to stand there basically if I want the safest option.
 
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Eldriken

Guest
Doesn't mean I don't play with people. :p Not to mention, I called stuff early on in the game regarding GL that has stuck, so I'm not exactly a dummy at seeing shit in matchups for my character.

Jokes aside, even Eldriken had eyebrows raised for this one.

@cR_whiteboi knockdown guessing game in his favor on his wakeup? Why would it be? I'm just curious, because I know Gross and Ashenar are the GLs down in Florida, so I figure there's a very good reason for saying that.
I'd like to know this as well. He can MB f3 if he thinks we're gonna raw Earth Shake him on wake up in the corner or try to reverse his input, which punishes us or he can be risky and wake up lift, which can get blocked or reversed. Other than that, I don't see what else he can do on his wake up that we would have to worry about. All his other wake ups get beat.
 
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Eldriken

Guest
If I ever go for reversal he can just wakeup mbf3 and blow it up so it's a 50/50 that's in his favor. If I don't reverse his wakeups ill get hit by lift I'm in the grinder.
After I knock him I just have to stand there basically if I want the safest option.
That's -if- you try to reverse it. You know as well as I do that it's all about conditioning.

I agree that standing there is the safest option as you can punish wake up lift, but it gives him too many alternatives.
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
If I ever go for reversal he can just wakeup mbf3 and blow it up so it's a 50/50 that's in his favor. If I don't reverse his wakeups ill get hit by lift I'm in the grinder.
After I knock him I just have to stand there basically if I want the safest option.
Wait, lift? MBB3/MBF3 are options there. It's only 1-hit, and if I'm not mistaken, you basically get similar rewards, at least in damage. GL's other wakeups are turbine and minigun...both are slow and do not have that much invincibility to protect them. Turbine's also 1-hit, and minigun on armor has slight gaps that allow you to armor through. GL's backdash is also short, so anything advancing does well at catching it.

That literally just leaves MBF3 for him, which isn't a true wakeup.
 

cR_whiteboi

Jobbers are mouthpieces for gods.
Exactly you have to go for the pressure and knockdown, but it's a guess that's definitely it's gls favor
 
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Eldriken

Guest
Oh, also, I meant to ask you this as well, @cR_whiteboi. What is it that allows Doomsday to beat Green Arrow? I played Cossner and iLuusions recently and I really don't see what the advantage is.

I HAVE to have meter in this MU to even think about approaching Green Arrow because of Savage Blast. Savage Blast negates trait and my approach unless I have meter. Arrows can really fuck up my movement if the Arrow player knows what they're doing, which both of the aforementioned Arrow players do.

Savage Blast also allows him to completely run away for free while building meter.

Getting him to the corner is the only time I see this as a winning MU. Other than that, I think it's even.
 

cR_whiteboi

Jobbers are mouthpieces for gods.
That's a option vs lift, you'll lose to his mb f3 if you go for that. Also his wakeups are either lift or mb f3 not turbine lol.
 

cR_whiteboi

Jobbers are mouthpieces for gods.
Oh, also, I meant to ask you this as well, @cR_whiteboi. What is it that allows Doomsday to beat Green Arrow? I played Cossner and iLuusions recently and I really don't see what the advantage is.

I HAVE to have meter in this MU to even think about approaching Green Arrow because of Savage Blast. Savage Blast negates trait and my approach unless I have meter. Arrows can really fuck up my movement if the Arrow player knows what they're doing, which both of the aforementioned Arrow players do.

Savage Blast also allows him to completely run away for free while building meter.

Getting him to the corner is the only time I see this as a winning MU. Other than that, I think it's even.
He's not really doing anything except putting himself in the corner. True the trait is stopped by his blast. it lets you get close and builds the meter by taking the hits.
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
That's a option vs lift, you'll lose to his mb f3 if you go for that. Also his wakeups are either lift or mb f3 not turbine lol.
No, I know lol. I was just listing off his wakeups period.

Can DD d1 xx air grab on the MBF3? Just wondering. That's really read-based, but it is an option if it works.
 
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Eldriken

Guest
He's not really doing anything except putting himself in the corner. True the trait is stopped by his blast. it lets you get close and builds the meter by taking the hits.
Yeah, he's backing himself in the corner, but the problem there is getting to him and keeping him there. One mistake and he's out and we're back to square one.

I trait up and dash in while taking the hits, but I really hate having to do that as it completely wastes my trait and if he gets himself out of the corner again, I'm out of a trait for 15 seconds. >_<
 
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Eldriken

Guest
No, I know lol. I was just listing off his wakeups period.

Can DD d1 xx air grab on the MBF3? Just wondering. That's really read-based, but it is an option if it works.
Fuuuuuck. Why have I never thought of that?! I mean, if it works, it would require one hell of a good read, but could you imagine if it works and you win a close ass match with that? The hype would be unreal.

I'll have to see if it works when I get home from work.
 

pumpkincream

superman reset specialist
How would you know?
you are in the same category as players like Slips and DIzzy who do not play INJ or go to tournaments for INJ yet are inclined to post about INJ or talked about as if they are worth mentioning in the same sentence as INJ
 

cR_whiteboi

Jobbers are mouthpieces for gods.
No, I know lol. I was just listing off his wakeups period.

Can DD d1 xx air grab on the MBF3? Just wondering. That's really read-based, but it is an option if it works.
He can but that means I'm really in the gls head lol.
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
He can but that means I'm really in the gls head lol.
Yeah lol. That's a stretch of an option vs MBF3.

There is MBF3 and hold it for a moment, too. It'll beat MBF3 immediate release and lift, but loses to GL holding MBF3, and gets blown up by minigun.
 

THTB

Arez | Booya | Riu48 - Rest Easy, Friends
you are in the same category as players like Slips and DIzzy who do not play INJ or go to tournaments for INJ yet are inclined to post about INJ or talked about as if they are worth mentioning in the same sentence as INJ
*shrug* I guess.
 

Bugman

Noob
At first I always think Doomsday vs Scorpion is a 7-3 Doomsday favor but when I fought @Eldriken Doomsday I was like a 7-3 Doomsday favor?!?!?! Feel like it 6-4 Doomsday favor but it still a hard 6-4 MU.
 
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Eldriken

Guest
At first I always think Doomsday vs Scorpion is a 7-3 Doomsday favor but when I fought @Eldriken Doomsday I was like a 7-3 Doomsday favor?!?!?! Feel like it 6-4 Doomsday favor but it still a hard 6-4 MU.
It's probably because you learned a few options that you have in that MU from playing me. You're welcome. =P
 

Cossner

King of the Jobbers 2015
Administrator
@Eldriken sounds about right.

I mean, GA does have the tools to stop him, but then again, EX Venom blows up all my wake ups and leaves him at plus in my face. He's right about the savage blast. Doomsday does have a slight advantage but it's not super super bad lol.
 
@Eldriken sounds about right.

I mean, GA does have the tools to stop him, but then again, EX Venom blows up all my wake ups and leaves him at plus in my face. He's right about the savage blast. Doomsday does have a slight advantage but it's not super super bad lol.
Urgh......literally years playing this game, unknown time spent in the lab, and I still don't really feel like I *get* this fight. I think I'm just gonna have to admit defeat and end my injustice career as being forever free to Doomsday. :oops: Hopefully I'll have better luck dealing with Goro in MKX.
 

Cossner

King of the Jobbers 2015
Administrator
Urgh......literally years playing this game, unknown time spent in the lab, and I still don't really feel like I *get* this fight. I think I'm just gonna have to admit defeat and end my injustice career as being forever free to Doomsday. :oops: Hopefully I'll have better luck dealing with Goro in MKX.
PM your issues in that convo we have and I'll give you some advice. I have some anti dd tech that may help you out yoh yoh.