learis1
Guardian Cadet
I'm sorry not everyone agrees with you about how supposedly horrible a state your clone is in. However I do agree that leveling up definitely needs to be done, and that completely includes the whiny sz community.
I'm sorry not everyone agrees with you about how supposedly horrible a state your clone is in. However I do agree that leveling up definitely needs to be done, and that completely includes the whiny sz community.
Is it an obvious issue? If clone stuffs 95% of a character's moves, but they can find one string or special with a hitbox that can touch sz standing right behind a clone, then does it mean that clone is broken, severely hampered, woefully underpowered, etc?
No I didn't contradict my own point. Change jacqui so she can actually hit people != change clone so it catches more things. One is an actual fix. The other is a buff to how sub zero is played.
I've yet to see you actually raise a counter arguement for anything besides saying "I want clone fixed"
No one is labbing anything. You found a counter to a move using one move. Thats the basics to fighting games. Has anyone gone into the corner with raiden and seen whats actually going on? Or tested it with the multitude of other things in the game?
Don't bother. Any question that might poke holes in their irrational thinking is met with more repetitive irrational claims that won't answer or even acknowledge it.
i think sub needs buffs till he is back up with scorpion. i feel those two should be on equal ground, and for @Tom Brady sake!
Couple of things.Very well fix the clone, by over writing it's priority while it's actually out on the field. By making it out prioritize attacks that come into contact with it. But in exchange fix it's hitbox to stop being weird and finicky. Some moments the clone will touch a character who's visibly not even touching it. My example used with be him against Scorpion in the corner.
Nothing of Scorpion actually touches the Ice Clone and he is frozen, I don't even get an attempt at doing a jump kick to possibly avoid it. So fix that as well.
But But...NRS has to "fix" the clone! And when they do they will take care of all the technical work, and make it so the Clone has a proper visible hitbox always, so you won't have to worry about overlapping hurtboxes, and phantom hurtboxes and random nonsense.
Also they will make it like MK9's clone because people like to compare it to that so it will be super vulnerable during it's main start up by meterless attacks.
ComboFiend doesn't maintain anywhere near the levels of interactive activity Paulo does.NRS needs a community manager like ComboFiend from Capcom games. There are too many issues in this game for Paulo to answer to, so to have a guy that will actually listen and read, acknowledge they read said thing, and try to get a reply from the devs would be great at this point.
I'll say it again: Klone's nerf may of came with unintended consequences. Maybe they'll get fixed. for Sub mains I hope it does. But I wouldn't ignore the hitbox/hurtbox discussion either. Every time I see that Superman shit I chuckle. So bad...
Seems like there's gonna be more to discuss for NRS's next game than how bad the netcode was. If I were you I'd start the lobbying now.
I figured it was, as Sub-Zero was getting hit, and had nothing to do with him actually blocking anything which the patch originally addressed.
Ha . . i think? That last part does seem like that would hurt the Sub matchup greatly but give the people what they want and blind hope NRS does every possible thing because you didnt!!!!But But...NRS has to "fix" the clone! And when they do they will take care of all the technical work, and make it so the Clone has a proper visible hitbox always, so you won't have to worry about overlapping hurtboxes, and phantom hurtboxes and random nonsense.
Why just close the thread? Why is it that if your post isn't met with blind agreement it's a problem?
Looks like he just wants more time to research the issue. Also I was just teasing, even I don't want his clone to be on MK9's level, he'd drop probably lower mid tier if that happened. However, if they are going to address the clone, they'd have to do extensive testing, so it effects the areas that are hurtful to Sub, and also helpful to sub so it will be more balanced. The clone is a double edged sword. That has to be handled with extreme care, other wise it will not only cut it's enemies, but the wielder as well! Cuz I'm kryptic like dat.
no.. the issue needs more research.
DJT is much smarter than I am, he plays Tempest Lao now.
was DJT Johnny Cage? Johnny's low attack avoids tons and tons and tons of attacks. It's actually pretty ridiculous all that it avoids. So it's not surprising that it can even go though clone.
I agree but why shut the thread down? Ever since i posted my vid that's all i've been saying. I don't know if its better for the forum to have another thread but maybe you could just make this one about figuring out how detrimental or trivial the things are that go through clone. It's your thread do as you wish I just figured i found out some important information and figured to share and see what else you sub mains came up with.
Here's a question. Could it be that NRS designed it to interact the way it does? They made hurtboxes smaller and saw the effect it had on clone and kept it? I don't get how people need to learn to fight against sub yet tech comes showing you can reach sub zero if it stands close to it and that just has to go away.
I completely agree and am glad that he brought this up. I just figured the thread could go in a different direction. No way he'd drop to lower mid tier the way everyone keeps bringing it up. Any change they do that would affect this would require extensive testing. Whether that be changing other normals and specials or solely dealing with Clone. Thanks for at least talking about this and using actual points.