SaSSolino
Soul Stealing Loyalist
uh ye those guys too.Summoner Quan and RS Kitana. Not sure about HQT Predator but he might do that too.
uh ye those guys too.Summoner Quan and RS Kitana. Not sure about HQT Predator but he might do that too.
Mournful / Royal Storm KitanaIf you're forcing a teleport character to teleport, you're not having a hard time.
Who outzones him in your opinion?
ermac? what?Mournful
Ermac
Quan Chi
Predator
Yes Ermac too.Mournful
Ermac
Quan Chi
Predator
Ermac? How?Mournful
Ermac
Quan Chi
Predator
Full screen soul balls trade against Shinnok's projectile immensely in Ermac's favour.ermac? what?
If I throw a projectile I eat 40%.Ermac? How?
so does subzero's fireball, that's not zoning.Full screen soul balls trade against Shinnok's projectile immensely in Ermac's favour.
Subzero's ice ball is too slow. It won't trade. Shinnok can block.so does subzero's fireball, that's not zoning.
you are right, but my point still stands. that's not zoning, you just can't zone him.Subzero's ice ball is too slow. It won't trade. Shinnok can block.
You really gotta bait the ball I'd say. Ermac flies under the radar so hard lol. 40% meterless and soul ball is probably one of the best combo extender in the gameIf I throw a projectile I eat 40%.
You can. Soul ball animation and travel speed is not easy to EX scoop on reaction at all. Not to mention that Ermac can fake out a soul ball with a standing 1 or standing 2 to blow up EX scoop attempts (that's from midscreen range).you are right, but my point still stands. that's not zoning, you just can't zone him.
When he has the option to teleport or soul ball full screen, I have to sit there and just block, I am at the defense full screen. He has no reason not to just throw soul balls out when he has 3 souls.You really gotta bait the ball I'd say. Ermac flies under the radar so hard lol. 40% meterless and soul ball is probably one of the best combo extender in the game
Shinnok can throw a fullscreen dark beam at Ermac, Ermac can do a reversal soul ball, Shinnok can shoot a 2nd projectile and still block the soul ball.If I throw a projectile I eat 40%.
Trades Foxy, and if he reads be doing a dark beam, I eat a teleport for 40%Shinnok can throw a fullscreen dark beam at Ermac, Ermac can do a reversal soul ball, Shinnok can shoot a 2nd projectile and still block the soul ball.
if you read the teleport and block, he eats a 30% and standing reset.Trades Foxy, and if he reads be doing a dark beam, I eat a teleport for 40%
The soul reason I sit back and do nothing full screen, against Ermacif you read the teleport and block, he eats a 30% and standing reset.
I tend to do so too, but that doesn't mean that ermac zones out BS.The soul reason I sit back and do nothing full screen, against Ermac
If I can't throw projectiles and do a keep away game against a certain character, that means I am getting out zoned.I tend to do so too, but that doesn't mean that ermac zones out BS.
isn't being out zoned when you have an hard time getting in and not when you are scared to?If I can't throw projectiles and do a keep away game against a certain character, that means I am getting out zoned.
Take my dmg down 10% thenI'm not sure what you're implying with this. Nothing I said in that sentence reflects my own perspective.
IDK if these examples level out though, all of these characters get some damn fine damage or setups (if not both in one shot) without any meter necessary. Shinnok without meter only really gets that from his unsafe overhead.
Bone Shaper needs adjustments, everyone agrees to that, but the variation did in fact exist before the Dark Beam buff while the MB Hell Sparks were +24 on block and almost nobody had anything to say about it. Let's not push our luck and risk fucking over his other variations for good measure.
you are saying that pre buff BS was also op? because otherwise I don't really understand what your point is.Take my dmg down 10% then
Give me that +24 and +14 frames on my shit w the level I use kenshi and lets see who gets pissed quicker
Yes it does jail. Maybe not from certain distances but nobody can reasonably be expected to know when they can interrupt it in a real match.i thaught u can armor or poke out of d4 hellsparks as but then what u said and took back my statement. thats all
But they are unsafe, variation wide, and there ain't no "what if he MBs it?!?!" if it whiffs. That's not downplaying, that's just stating the facts.These Shinnok Boneshaper downplayers!! I swear u guys are the worst. 'but his hell sparks is unsafe ' Yea it is but with the mind game of Shinnok delaying the MB can really make a player hesitant to punish.. d4 hellsparks - great footsie tool and jails and post MB Hellsparks is where Shinnok goes ham- chip and meter building rinse and repeat ... I dont give a damn what anyone else says I agree that BONESHAPER Shinnok is the BEST CHARACTER in MKX.
I'm saying id like +24 or +14 on block launchers too if they remain in the game to match the brokennessyou are saying that pre buff BS was also op? because otherwise I don't really understand what your point is.