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Sheit I haven't actually tried this yet...but then again dds are rarer and rarer online these daysDoomsday; DD3 punishes his meteor move. You can grab him out of the air before even hitting the ground.
Sheit I haven't actually tried this yet...but then again dds are rarer and rarer online these daysDoomsday; DD3 punishes his meteor move. You can grab him out of the air before even hitting the ground.
I actually main KF and Batgirl and I think the MU is 5-5. Obviously whenever you get hit by Frost you are put into a terrible guessing game, so the object is to always avoid getting hit at all costs. With Batgirl you are actually pretty free to stay off the ground outside of slide range to avoid iceberg checks, and KF has to be hesitant to throw out daggers at that range because it is an easy teleport punish. If KF knocks you down and tries to pressure you on wake up, obviously batwheel is going to blow up all of her options.(in regards to a Killer Frost player)
Well today I played against what was for me the best player yet. Now I'm not super good but I'm certainly not a bad player... However this guy was on a whole 'nother level. He beat me 25 games in a row...! o_0 Like no one I've played has been unbeatable. This guy was the first. Had some pretty close ones against him but couldn't seem to seal the deal : /
my discoveries....
- against the slide the best I can do is crouch light punch and a jump back (otherwise he'll punish with an overhead or another slide)
- I can't do wake up attacks against him due to the threat of his freeze counter move
- I have to play the most conservative/defensive game of my life to have any chance at winning
If you guys have any insight on how to play this matchup let me know! and if you're interested in challenging this guy his ID is...xX_EMO_UCHIHA_xX (really solid player. I asked him if he ever loses and he said "yeah but rarely." and yeah I believe it xD ) pretty nice guy though
I'm still reading but this just isn't true! he punished just about every wake up cartwheel I threw out! He will activate his counter move and do a full punish : ( I gotta respect that option and just back away : /If KF knocks you down and tries to pressure you on wake up, obviously batwheel is going to blow up all of her options.
What counter move? When you do cartwheel does it say wakeup attack in the corner? It should beat every option KF has. Like I said I main Killer Frost and I would be shocked if this guy is better than I am with her. Not trying to sound arrogant.I'm still reading but this just isn't true! he punished just about every wake up cartwheel I threw out! He will activate his counter move and do a full punish : ( I gotta respect that option and just back away : /If KF knocks you down and tries to pressure you on wake up, obviously batwheel is going to blow up all of her options.
and you're saying on a blocked slide I can safely throw out a throw?
c'mon brah I have every intention of becoming one of the better players in this game. If I'm missing out on something obvious show me the way I'm not afraid to lose it's how you learn.What counter move? When you do cartwheel does it say wakeup attack in the corner? It should beat every option KF has. Like I said I main Killer Frost and I would be shocked if this guy is better than I am with her. Not trying to sound arrogant.
Yeah I have Skype but I am at work until 5 eastern time. Add RiBBz22 on PSN. You can throw off a blocked slide and it will work if the KF player is pushing buttons. They are only -4 off slide though so they are able to back dash out or jump, so you have to be prepared to start combating that if they are starting to react to you throwing.hmm you got a skype/wanna go a few rounds? ^^
Does believing that make your losses sting less when you lose to those characters? Certainly doesn't make you better. Good to have excuses in advance though I guessBatgirl is almost at the level of stupid that KF has attained.
sounds good dude. If not today though definitely tomorrow if you're up for it. If you're confident that means I'll no doubt take something from our games : ) looking forward to itYeah I have Skype but I am at work until 5 eastern time. Add RiBBz22 on PSN. You can throw off a blocked slide and it will work if the KF player is pushing buttons. They are only -4 off slide though so they are able to back dash out or jump, so you have to be prepared to start combating that if they are starting to react to you throwing.
ah and for the record it has been saying "wakeup" attack when I do it. Pretty confident now on this. when I would do the batwheel as a wakeup he could counter with "frostbite" and he would do this over and over and over. after 25 games I'm pretty damn sure it doesn't work. (he literally would freeze me mid cartwheel lol)Yeah I have Skype but I am at work until 5 eastern time. Add RiBBz22 on PSN. You can throw off a blocked slide and it will work if the KF player is pushing buttons. They are only -4 off slide though so they are able to back dash out or jump, so you have to be prepared to start combating that if they are starting to react to you throwing.
Losing to guesses doesn't make me feel good at all really..... especially when both options are safe and unseeable.Does believing that make your losses sting less when you lose to those characters? Certainly doesn't make you better. Good to have excuses in advance though I guess
Y'know it's different for me because I come from a background of starcraft 2. cause like in that game there is always an answer to anything you thought was too good. even if your current self wasn't capable of beating something, you could rest easy knowing that X top player would have no issue with whatever you were having trouble with. So I like to look at this game the same way. Even though I might be having trouble against X I know that X top player who uses my character would demolish the guy I'm having trouble fighting against atm.Losing to guesses doesn't make me feel good at all really..... especially when both options are safe and unseeable.
But she has so much dirt along with her 50/50's. She's really good. Even without the 50/50... she does 40% combo's and kills zoners. She'd be top.
yeah but there really isn't a defense against the standing 50/50 resetsY'know it's different for me because I come from a background of starcraft 2. cause like in that game there is always an answer to anything you thought was too good. even if your current self wasn't capable of beating something, you could rest easy knowing that X top player would have no issue with whatever you were having trouble with. So I like to look at this game the same way. Even though I might be having trouble against X I know that X top player who uses my character would demolish the guy I'm having trouble fighting against atm.
with the exception of top level play... Time investment > Balance issues
lol wtf love how you rub off everything I said with "yeah but" haha have faith in yourself man jeez : Pyeah but there really isn't a defense against the standing 50/50 resets
hence why KF and batgirl are so good
Yes, she can parry batwheel I was just saying if they are trying to pressure you with offense on wakeup. If they are doing the parry, then just block for a second to make sure you don't get slid, then b12 into vortex if they throw the parry out.ah and for the record it has been saying "wakeup" attack when I do it. Pretty confident now on this. when I would do the batwheel as a wakeup he could counter with "frostbite" and he would do this over and over and over. after 25 games I'm pretty damn sure it doesn't work. (he literally would freeze me mid cartwheel lol)