The Death of Zoning in Injustice: GAU

[jaym7018]

Most of them are irrelevant in tournament enviroment.

Because of fucking zoning.

 

[THTB]

Zoning is overrated, but it is certainly better than MK9, save for the two untested zoners of the game.

 

[Doombawkz]

Yukiko, Lambda, Peacock

I'm waiting to see how you know more about these characters than the best players that use them, and tell me that they're hybrids.

Yukiko from PA4? You mean the girl with the fans, yes? I only really played Kanji so I'm not the MOST knowledgable about her but she seems to have short range normal attacks, decent AoE persona with a pushing manner, and not much in defensive properties up close. She looks like a zoner to me. But as I said, not fully familiar.

Lambda, the girl who can lock you down using multi-dimensional projectiles? She isn't a conventional zoner imo, but she has some hella good zoning abilities and can stop a lot of people from ever getting in. She has some decent-ish stuff up close, but she's no Tager. In a game without much in the way of ranged attacks, she can be counted as a zoner.

Peacock vs Parasoul, I don't even know if theres a close comparison. Parasoul is imo a conventional zoner archetype. Peacock is more gimmicky, but I don't consider her a zoner in the way that I would someone like say Sim, Soul, etc. I WILL CONCEDE that she has a more than difficult time up close (I mained Cerabella so I mean all I am is up close) and also that I am not familiar with her kit for the same reason I'm not familiar with Carl's kit in BB, being the high learning execution curve.

 

[greeneless]

Dave isn't breaking any rules, though. Are these troll threads? Maybe, maybe not. He is highlighting some pretty important things about the metagame, so is it really a troll threads. A lot of these other "troll threads" do the exact same thing.

However, your response was very much against the rules.

It's not hard to figure that out. If you find something wrong with our decision on this, you're free to leave. Door's right there.

Bottom line, thread is okay. Thread stays open.

What rule did i break by suggesting scorpion buffs on day -2

objective question, i havent actually read the rules ... and this is totally relevant to this thread

 

[lawzoers]

Because of fucking zoning.

That gets countered by higher tier characters, namely Black Adam, Batgirl, etc.

 

[M2Dave]

all i will say is zoning ruling injustice is a complete farce..this game is just as rushdown oriented as it is zoning oriented

Injustice being zoning oriented is a myth. It never was. Ever. The perception of zoning being overpowered was started by online players who were unable to get around Deathstroke's guns.

The casual fan base always ruins fighting game. Just look at MK. The community saw how Jade and Kano were "normalized" while Kabal and Kenshi went under the radar. The casual fan base went on to play the next Call of Duty and Halo and NRS saw that there was no more money to be made, so the community was stuck with an unbalanced game.

 

[THTB]

What rule did i break by suggesting scorpion buffs on day -2

objective question, i havent actually read the rules ... and this is totally relevant to this thread

Admittedly, that was a wonderfuck of confusion when Scorpion released unexpectedly.

Tim Static

Also, for people saying you can't adapt to a counterpick, watch moar ST.

 

[greeneless]

Comparing an internet forum used for fun to "running" the country? I like it.

ruin was not a typo!

 

[jaym7018]

That gets countered by higher tier characters, namely Black Adam, Batgirl, etc.

So then how is zoning dead if 1/3 of the cast loses to it?

 

[M2Dave]

Zoning is overrated, but it is certainly better than MK9, save for the two untested zoners of the game.

How is MK zoning better than Injustice zoning when MK has Freddy and Kenshi? If Injustice had Freddy and Kenshi, I would never think about making this thread. MK's engine favors rush down characters, but there are some great zoning characters in the game. Injustice has mediocre zoning characters.

 

[MorbidAltruism]

So then how is zoning dead if 1/3 of the cast loses to it?

A character cant "lose" to zoning... I mean that is player specific. Every character can block and dash... that is how you get around most zoning. I guess there are some cases where it is super hard... it isn't the cast losing to zoning though it is the player.

 

[Zatoichi]

Zoning is dead in Injustice. Batgirl and Scorpion are only a nail in the coffin. Allow me to explain please by focusing on the so-called zoning characters of this game.

Cyborg - high execution for no reward. Cyborg has no footsies, no damage, and no pressure strings. Work hard to master instant aerial nova blasters only to be disappointed by the character's lack of tools. Why bother with Cyborg?

Deathstroke - jack of some trades but master of none. Deathstroke has been converted into a typical mid tier character who excels at nothing. Yes, b+2 xx Sword Spin and b+1,u+2 are solid, but if I wanted to use a rush down and 50/50 mix up character, why would I choose Deathstroke over Batgirl, Killer Frost, and Scorpion? Besides, why is my primary projectile punishable half a screen away? What is the point of a projectile if you cannot use it? If you think Deathstroke is any good now, talk to me six months from now when everyone learns how to fight him.

Sinestro - live by the trait and die by the trait. You can either charge the trait and have a chance at winning or you cannot charge the trait and have no possibility at winning. Also, why is everything laughably unsafe on block? Why is Fear Blast -22 at mid range? Why are Shackles -26 on block? Why is Impact Event -43 on block? Which player destroyed all the others with Sinestro during testing for this character to be this unsafe?

RIP zoning in Injustice.

05/06/2013

Just calm down, breathe, you're overreacting.

Just because Batgirl and Scorpion have teleport attacks doesn't mean zoning is dead, it just means zoners need to change up their game against Batgirl and Scorpion. That is TWO out of TWENTY-SEVEN characters, well, FOUR if you count Ares and Raven too, since they also have good ways around zoning. I will agree that Cyborg, and Sinestro needs some buffs to their melee attacks but nothing drastic. Also, don't forget about F+3, Cryborg's and Deathstroke's F+3 is fairly good last time I checked.

 

[Doombawkz]

Admittedly, that was a wonderfuck of confusion when Scorpion released unexpectedly.

Tim Static

Also, for people saying you can't adapt to a counterpick, watch moar ST.

ST being Turbo, yes?
What 10-0 MUs has someone overcome at a high tourney level after being directly counterpicked by "adapting"?

 

[EGGXI]

I imagine there will be some thread complaining about the death of rush-downs once Zod is released with his alleged 'summon' moves.

 

[testyourpatience]

i agree they should knock it off with the teleports in this game but m2dave is still a tool

 

[jaym7018]

A character cant "lose" to zoning... I mean that is player specific. Every character can block and dash... that is how you get around most zoning. I guess there are some cases where it is super hard... it isn't the cast losing to zoning though it is the player.

By that logic a character cant lose to teleports or counter zonng,its the player. Every character can bait out an unsafe teleport or whatever other tool.

 

[Juggs]

 

[M2Dave]

Just calm down, breathe, you're overreacting.

Just because Batgirl and Scorpion have teleport attacks doesn't mean zoning is dead, it just means zoners need to change up their game against Batgirl and Scorpion. That is TWO out of TWENTY-SEVEN characters, well, FOUR if you count Ares and Raven too, since they also have good ways around zoning. I will agree that Cyborg, and Sinestro needs some buffs to their melee attacks but nothing drastic. Also, don't forget about F+3, Cryborg's and Deathstroke's F+3 is fairly good last time I checked.

The zoning characters of this game sucked before Batgirl and Scorpion were released and they suck after Batgirl and Scorpion were released. I am not arguing about teleports. MK has many more teleport characters and Kenshi and Freddy are still top tier characters. You are missing my main point.

 

[Zatoichi]

The zoning characters of this game sucked before Batgirl and Scorpion were released and they suck after Batgirl and Scorpion were released. I am not arguing about teleports. MK has many more teleport characters and Kenshi and Freddy are still top tier characters. You are missing my main point.

Why else would you say Batgirl and Scorpion are the ONLY nails on the coffin then?

 

[MorbidAltruism]

By that logic a character cant lose to teleports or counter zonng,its the player. Every character can bait out an unsafe teleport or whatever other tool.

I am just saying that getting through zoning is less about the character you are... and more about the player you are. There are exceptions to the rule of course.

 

[jaym7018]

The zoning characters of this game sucked before Batgirl and Scorpion were released and they suck after Batgirl and Scorpion were released. I am not arguing about teleports. MK has many more teleport characters and Kenshi and Freddy are still top tier characters. You are missing my main point.

From what i gather is yoir main point is if i cant have at least a 5-5 match up or better with every character in the game by simply tossing projectiles then zoning isnt viable.

 

[jaym7018]

I am just saying that getting through zoning is less about the character you are... and more about the player you are. There are exceptions to the rule of course.

Same can be said about facing a counter zoner as a zoner.

 

[MorbidAltruism]

From what i gather is yoir main point is if i cant have at least a 5-5 match up or better with every character in the game by simply tossing projectiles then zoning isnt viable.

His point is that zoning dominant characters like Sinestro, DS, and Cyborg have nothing going for them.

 

[M2Dave]

Why else would you say Batgirl and Scorpion are the ONLY nails on the coffin then?

They are the nails in the coffin, which means that they made life even worse for zoning characters. Again, Kenshi and Freddy are top tier characters in a game that has more teleport characters than Injustice, so Batgirl and Scorpion are not my main argument.

 

[jaym7018]

His point is that zoning dominant characters like Sinestro, DS, and Cyborg have nothing going for them.

They have favorable match ups aginst t least 1/3 of the cast. How in the blue hell is that nothing.