MK9 Tier List, September 2012

[Squeaker101]

Liu goes 5-5 with Kabal? I thought every MU for Kabal was 6-4 or higher for him...

I don't see how Liu has such a huge advantage over Quan Chi.

Meh, I know this is based off more than just MU numbers, but these are genuine questions.

 

[Eddy Wang]

The Skarlet community pretty much always says she is better than Kitana. Not directly, but she would have to be if the Skarlet hype is true.

I never seen that anyplace, the thing is, Kitana Kommunity is always trying to downplaying skarlet, yesterday it was also one those days.

Skarlet Hype is not made of suppositions, at least not mine, i always post based on experience i get from the most possible high level match i can get.

I just think this Kitana be > than Skarlet or Vice-versa needs to stop, i used to play Kitana, but after a year, i choose to drop her to fully understand Skarlet, and honestly i think these characters only differs in 1 thing.

Skarlet doesn't have the same great air control Kitana has, so her defensive options against air, can be shit if the player don't work hard to erase it.
Kitana doesn't have the same great ground control Skarlet has, is something that needs to be worked very well when someone knows how to space her.

 

[Axel_Redd]

not every mu, reptile and kung lao go even with him, and lets not forget Kabal vs Kabal

 

[Mr. Mileena]

Its not that i'm defending other players or overrating skarlet or anything, but this grunge you kitana guys have against skarlet or skarlet players is starting to become silly. Come on Really?

I only feel bad because i can't come to join on a US major, maybe, a very big MAYBE this stupid grunge and BS about skarlet would stop

Kitana has made top 8 at every MLG, almost always places at majors, and lbsh, there's only 2 kitana players worth mentioning.

It's no grudge, it's facts.

We aren't downplaying her, we just are not blinded by this overhypeness of Skarlet.

 

[B W1zZ]

I disagree with a few of the Raiden numbers, here are my proposed changes:

Kitana: 5-5
Cyrax: 5-5
Jax: 5-5
Noob: 7-3
Nightwolf: 6-4

 

[Skitzo]

not every mu, reptile and kung lao go even with him, and lets not forget Kabal vs Kabal

Reptile does not go even with him lol

 

[Eddy Wang]

Kitana has made top 8 at every MLG, almost always places at majors, and lbsh, there's only 2 kitana players worth mentioning.

It's no grudge, it's facts.

We aren't downplaying her, we just are not blinded by this overhypeness of Skarlet.

you guys and your placings....

There is only actually 2 tournaments in US worth saying skarlet got experience from it, EVO and MLG raleigh, i'm not counting CD because among the entire Skarlet community, half plays mostly online, and doesn't have much offline experience as CD has.

There is only a very few skarlet players that actually plays offlines a lot and it can be counted.
me
Skar
FLY
CD
AssassiN

So don't came into me with tournament placing hype thing or overhypiness because i'm not buying, i know you guys need results.
And i still believe US Skarlet will deliver it once the enter more in tournaments

 

[BillStickers]

Liu goes 5-5 with Kabal? I thought every MU for Kabal was 6-4 or higher for him...

I don't see how Liu has such a huge advantage over Quan Chi.

Meh, I know this is based off more than just MU numbers, but these are genuine questions.

I reset the Kabal numbers to an earlier version because they were getting out of hand. These Kabal numbers were taken right before MLG Anaheim when there was a lot of hype about anti-Kabal characters.

From what I know, Liu's rushdown doesn't give Quan the time to play his mixup shenanigan game. Comparatively, Lui is much more mobile and has faster advancing normals, and can counterzone him with low fireballs.

 

[LEGEND]

Liu Kang is Ridiculous, Best kept secret in MK9

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

My changes:
Cyblax: 5-5
Jax: 4-6
Kano: 6-4
Raiden: 5-5
Reptile:5-5
Sektor: 6-4

 

[REO]

The Kabal numbers are absolutely horrendous. Who are the dipshits who contributed to some of these Kabal numbers? Kabal is the character most used in tournaments and match-ups by far, and people still can't get his numbers right.

Absolutely ridiculous. Let me know when the Kabal numbers become somewhat accurate before someone thinks of tagging me into this abomination again.

 

[STRYKIE]

I ran the Cyrax matchup with Mustard before i46, the matchup on a whole seems like a massive mental block more than it is outright tough like Sonya. But regardless, I can't really say it's any better than 3-7 for now lol.

J360 thinks Scorp goes even with Cyblax though.

I'd like to draw baseless assumptions about Scorp based on online randoms and his frame data and add another point in favor to his opponent in the said matchup

Sure, why not.

 

[BillStickers]

The Kabal numbers are absolutely horrendous. Who are the dipshits who contributed to some of these Kabal numbers? Kabal is the character most used in tournaments and match-ups by far, and people still can't get his numbers right.

Absolutely ridiculous. Let me know when the Kabal numbers become somewhat accurate before someone thinks of tagging me into this abomination again.

Sorry babe, you're in the time out chair for trolling in my past tier list threads with Extortioner and then PMing me and THTB complaining about "scrubs like Extortioner" ruining the tier list.

 

[STB Sgt Reed]

LBSH... Sub's real mu numbers...

Kabal - 2-8
Kenshi - 1-9
Kung Lao - 3-7
Sonya- 3-7
Freddy - 2-8
Skarlet - 3-7
Kitana - 3-7
Smoke - 3-7
Cyrax - 3-7
Jax - 3-7
Raiden- 3-7
Johnny - 4-6
Mileena - 2-8
Reptile - 3-7
Sektor - 3-7
Liu - 4-6
Shang - 3-7
Ermac - 4-6
Noob - 2-8
Rain - 5-5
Sindel - 2-8
Nightwolf - 5-5
Scorpion - 5-5
Cyber Sub - 5-5
Quan Chi - 4-6
Jade - 4-6
Stryker - 4-6
Baraka - 4-6
Kano - 6-4
Sheeva 5-5

Sub sucks. True story.

 

[BillStickers]

LBSH... Sub's real mu numbers...

;_;

Sub sucks. True story.

Please, no emo matchup charts.

 

[GGA Wafflez]

tier lists are the reason i live

 

[LEGEND]

My changes:
Cyblax: 5-5
Jax: 4-6
Kano: 6-4
Raiden: 5-5
Reptile:5-5
Sektor: 6-4

i agree with all these except Cyblax.

Care to go more in-depth?

 

[cR WoundCowboy]

i agree with all these except Cyblax.

Care to go more in-depth?

The main problem that Cyrax gives Shang is that he greatly impacts his footsies options. Robot cyrax has faster bombs and nets, so it makes more difficult for Shang to use ground skulls without taking a really bad trade. Cyblax has worse projectiles and even his teleport can be kept in check if you make the right read. He can be hit out of it or you can bait him to poke after he appears. You can also dash forward and SS after it to force him to block. It also helps that it is harder for Cyblax to get the really big damage that Cyrax can get off of a combo.

 

[Lt. Boxy Angelman]

I think Cyrax should be exempt from tier lists altogether.

But that's me.

Although seeing the two of them in the Top 10 is quite the heartwarming improvement.

 

[LEGEND]

The main problem that Cyrax gives Shang is that he greatly impacts his footsies options. Robot cyrax has faster bombs and nets, so it makes more difficult for Shang to use ground skulls without taking a really bad trade. Cyblax has worse projectiles and even his teleport can be kept in check if you make the right read. He can be hit out of it or you can bait him to poke after he appears. You can also dash forward and SS after it to force him to block. It also helps that it is harder for Cyblax to get the really big damage that Cyrax can get off of a combo.

Makes sense. I haven't really played this MU so i wasn't too sure about the impact of Cyblax's slower specials

 

[ABACABB]

kabal freddy is not 5:5 , its 6:4 kabal

also kano freddy is 7:3 for freddy

Oh and most people say freddy -smoke is 6:4 smoke , but I would say 7:3 smoke

 

[Seapeople]

Sub vs Shang 6-4, rather than 5-5
Sub vs Quan 5-5, rather than 6-4

Those are the only changes to Sub Zero that I'm really confident about. Some of the others are a toss up

 

[CYracks]

human Cyrax is higher than robot Cyrax WHAAAAAAAAAT!?! At least he's on the tier list I guess.

 

[Grumptronix]

tier lists are the reason i live

Fucking LOL!

 

[Cat]

half sarcastically...and mainly to get a rise out of Joe. lol.

I made a thread about who is better with a pole a while back but it was very subjective per poster. We are not hell bent on her being better than sonya. We just think she competes better than originally thought. I dont think this MU chart is too far off. I agree with kabal beating her 7-3 but Cat may disagree.

Kabal vs Sonya is def 6-4 kabal. Kabal player has to be on point on the match up and his zoning has to be smart and on point. Cus if its not. Someone like Showtime will body you 3-0.