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Should Kabal be banned in competitive play? (Community Discussion)

Should Kabal be banned?


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Skitzo

Noob
Why is a Freddy player complaining about Kabal's iagb? Freddy outzones Kabal hard lol probably one of the only characters, if not the ONLY character, that does so.
 

GGA soonk

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We want Kabal players to do standing 2 and F4, both combo punishable (probably depending on hitbox though), love it.

Getting the 9 frame move out against a Kabal isnt hard if they decide to play up close. It forces them to use F4 and 21 which are probably his worst strings.
If I hit you with F32, 2 will hit most crouch blocking players. If you choose to duck without blocking and I choose to D3, well now you're at -10, gl wtih that. F4~ndc is -5 on block, gl punishing that, and if I do F4~saw you get nothing except knocked on your ass, or maybe you block, in which case I can EX NDC parry and start over again.
 

Prinz

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Let EVO be 8 Kabals in top 8, than the game will either die competitively or see another patch. The first doesn't bother me because I don't have a scene where I'm at + I main Jade which is 9-1 vs Kabal, the second, on the other hand, can be a serious gamechanger and make MK9 live for another year. So I say don't ban Kabal, let the game go its way. If it's MK9's destiny to die of the burnt Flash's hand, so be it. I'll still play it.

And stop saying Kabal is hard to pick up. All you have to do is do iAGBs alternating with low saws from fullscreen (if you have a problem with those you have horse hands). If you catch the opponent in the air with an iAGB it's easy to hitconfirm into a fullscreen dash. Up-close you only have to learn 3 NDC strings (b1NDC, f32NDC and 2NDC) which are not that hard to do. Doing 2-3 repetitions of these strings up-close and ending in a safe low/overhead mix-up is what you want, than go back to zoning.

I say don't ban him, but not because he's fine but because he might give us another patch. If he doesn't than he's left as he is right now forever, so it doesn't matter.
 

Slips

Feared by dragons. Desired by virgins.
Its one of those things to where if we do nothing, Kabal's will dominate tournaments and cause the scene to get boring. But if we ban him, the community looks like a bunch of bitches and hurts the game even more.

All we can do is play it out. Its up to the Kabal players to make the decision if he's OP and if action should be taken. Hopefully, they'll keep the integrity of the game's longevity more in mind than their own greed of winning MLG tournaments.
 

RampaginDragon

Loses to uppercuts
I guess that burnt skin look does it for some people, hey man don't hate
I really think the communities pride is getting in the way of saying "YA! He's way to fucking broken and is the best fighter in every single circumstance." Really? Thats ok? Just because he hasnt been banned in other games and other games have broken fighters that arent banned means we shouldnt ban him now?

What...The...Fuck.

I now have respect for very few community members.
 

Eh SnOwY

PC FGC
I really think the communities pride is getting in the way of saying "YA! He's way to fucking broken and is the best fighter in every single circumstance." Really? Thats ok? Just because he hasnt been banned in other games and other games have broken fighters that arent banned means we shouldnt ban him now?

What...The...Fuck.

I now have respect for very few community members.
arent you overreacting just a bit? kabal is the best char but he is beatable >__>
 

DragonPick

I don't play Runescape
I really think the communities pride is getting in the way of saying "YA! He's way to fucking broken and is the best fighter in every single circumstance." Really? Thats ok? Just because he hasnt been banned in other games and other games have broken fighters that arent banned means we shouldnt ban him now?

What...The...Fuck.

I now have respect for very few community members.
I just don't think the Ban hammer should be swung unless you're like, Ivan freaking Ooze or something. Or you have an infinite. Or a ToD
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Premium Supporter
I really think the communities pride is getting in the way of saying "YA! He's way to fucking broken and is the best fighter in every single circumstance." Really? Thats ok? Just because he hasnt been banned in other games and other games have broken fighters that arent banned means we shouldnt ban him now?

What...The...Fuck.

I now have respect for very few community members.
Definitely missing the point. He's beyond broken in UMK3, and by far the best character in the game. And in over 15+ years, he's not been banned because he doesn't need to be. He's far worse in UMK3 than he is in MK9, it's not even close in comparison. If he's not banned in UMK3, the discussion shouldn't even be brought up in MK9.

This community needs to start rethinking their mentality. Instead of crying nerf or ban, how about you actually take the time to learn how to beat the character? You know, how we used to have to do it before scrubs could cry in masses and get the developers to water down the game so they don't have to invest any time into it.
 

RampaginDragon

Loses to uppercuts
Definitely missing the point. He's beyond broken in UMK3, and by far the best character in the game. And in over 15+ years, he's not been banned because he doesn't need to be. He's far worse in UMK3 than he is in MK9, it's not even close in comparison. If he's not banned in UMK3, the discussion shouldn't even be brought up in MK9.

This community needs to start rethinking their mentality. Instead of crying nerf or ban, how about you actually take the time to learn how to beat the character? You know, how we used to have to do it before scrubs could cry in masses and get the developers to water down the game so they don't have to invest any time into it.
The players shouldnt have to learn to fight a fighter that is on a whole 'nother level then the next best fighters in the game just because the developers screwed up.


"If Kabal weren't in the game, this game wouldnt be dying. People are forced to use Kabal in tournaments now because the only fighter that can stand up to Kabal on a remotly consistant bases IS KABAL. We wouldnt be complaining about Sonya, because unlike Kabal, she does have weaknesses and bad MU's. So does everyone else in S tier. Kabal is the only fighter in the entire game without a single bad MU or a single weakness. He builds meter 2x faster than any fighter in the entire game, and is arguably the best rushdown and best zoner in the entire game, all in one fighter. This is why I think something should be done about him, or else this game will die because everyone will just be using Kabal. There have been multiple other fighting games that have died for this very reson as well, yet we should just sit here and not do anything about it?"

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"There wouldn't be another single character dominating MUs across the entire board, because there isn't one, the other two best characters are Kenshi and Sonya but they do in fact have bad MUs. No character should have 6-4's and above on the entire cast, that's moronic. 10-0 on large hitbox characters as well essentially.

Kabal will kill the diversity in the game if NRS doesn't patch him. CD Jr's picking him up specifically to compete with Kabal and I don't blame him. I forsee a lot of Kabal vs Kabal in the future and as we all know Tekken 6 at EVO with Bob vs Bob killed the game. It's in the competitive players best interest to play diverse characters due to the fact that nobody wants to see Kabal vs Kabal, that in turn is going to get MK kicked off MLG pretty damn quickly with no views.

Despite the fact that everyone thinks I'm bitching about the character, ultimately I'm not, I don't travel across the country to play this game competitively but I do enjoy the fact that there's been diversity in this game. We've seen most of the cast in top 8-16 but everyone's starting to pick up Kabal to deal with Kabal since he is indeed in a tier of his own. Without people interested in the game and without people watching the streams this game will die; Kabal will cause that swift death. I'm an outsider in all of this, I'm not trying to get that paper, but for the guys who are...you should listen to this because it is indeed going to effect you. You all know how MLG operates, Esports without the fans will not get you paid."

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"Oh I am, greatly. I just don't know what to say to this argument anymore.

This isn't just a matter of the metagame. Great players will always find a way to win.

It's the difference between what's gonna keep this game alive after EVO and what could potentially permamently stagnate it.
It's been over a year now, and there has yet to be found a single, solid, sure-fire way to beat Kabal.

Everyone else has a weakness. Everyone.

Kenshi's big and has holes in his zoning. Jax has to corner you to really destroy you. Sonya's weak from a distance. As is Cage. Raiden's slow. Lao's too risky. Sektor can only do so much if you're blocking low without risking punishment. Skarlet's zoning isn't high in damage anymore and she's very meter-dependant. As is Quan. Etcetera.

Kabal has none of these problems. In fact, he excels in just about every department these aforementioned characters fail in.
And yet people are going to continue to claim this isn't a problem .

This isn't old Lao where the promise of the final patch kept people on board until it was fixed, there's a pretty good chance this isn't gonna change, and apparently the "Cant beat 'em, join 'em" philosophy is the only way to deal with it. When tip of the top, best of the best players have to abandon the characters and strategies that have been getting them where they are since the start because they know there's no other way around it, that to me seems like a big deal.

The few diehard traveling regulars the scene has are gonna keep doing what they do regardless, and you can't fault them for that, but I personally am really not looking forward to the day MK becomes, as Piggy put it, Kabal Kombat.

No, I'm not a top player, and I'm never gonna be, but neither are a lot of the players and dedicated fans and followers who are worried and pissed off about this. And if I had the time or the money to do so, you better believe I'd be at every fucking show Greyhound had the bus routes to take me to, because I love this game and this scene to pieces, which is the only reason why this concerns me so much. It sucks. It plain outright sucks that after all this time, after all this work, as much progress as has been made in spite of the terrible odds for success MK was said to have had, that the Christmas Ghost Of Broken Bullshit has to come forth and haunt this game yet again. But as popular opinion implies, that's competition...I guess. Do whatever one has to do to win with the tools its makers gives you, no matter what kind of damage it can do. Don't blame the players, blame the builders.
For me, as long as Mr. Mil is still repping the women of Edenia, Slips is still slinging spears, Kizzle's still shooting missles, and there are still a few remaining warrior souls out there unwilling to abandon their weapons of choice just to more easily deal with this shit, at least there'll still be hope.

But it's gonna be a crying fuckin' shame to see such a diverse array of players, characters, matches and possibilities this game has and has given us over its progression, all widdled down to who can shoot off iAGBs and NDC's the fastest."

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Can you logically find a way to disagree with these? One that isnt "Oh, well he hasnt been banned in UMK3 yet, why should he be now?" Thats like saying "Well, OJ got away with murder, so should this guy". Just because it dosnt get banned one time, does not mean they should get away with it every other time.

Please, someone give me a LOGICAL reason as to why these posts are incorrect, and Kabal is not completely bat shit broken and dosn't need patched and if not patched then banned.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Premium Supporter
Please, someone give me a LOGICAL reason as to why these posts are incorrect, and Kabal is not completely bat shit broken and dosn't need patched and if not patched then banned.
We don't need to prove he isn't broken, you guys need to prove he is. The burden of proof is on the people claiming he's bad enough to be banned. He's won the last few tournaments, what about the countless others? The amount he's won doesn't come close to the amount he's lost. And despite what some believe, it does come down to tournament results. He's just now starting to get top 8 by more than one person per tournament. Saying he has answers for everything, saying he's broken, saying he's anything is just that, saying. Prove he should be banned, because unless he's winning the majority of tournaments, it shouldn't even be an issue.
 

RampaginDragon

Loses to uppercuts
We don't need to prove he isn't broken, you guys need to prove he is. The burden of proof is on the people claiming he's bad enough to be banned. He's won the last few tournaments, what about the countless others? The amount he's won doesn't come close to the amount he's lost. And despite what some believe, it does come down to tournament results. He's just now starting to get top 8 by more than one person per tournament. Saying he has answers for everything, saying he's broken, saying he's anything is just that, saying. Prove he should be banned, because unless he's winning the majority of tournaments, it shouldn't even be an issue.
He has won 3 or 4 majors on a row now, not mentioning the ones before that. He may have lost more than he won but not by much at all. Actually, he might have won more than he has lost at this point but what does that matter? The game has barely been out a year, and he has already won close to half the majors. And he still has more than 2 times more tourny wins than any other fighter in the entire game. And the game has only been out for 1 year. He IS winning the majority of majors. By a lot. And it will continue. And going by what you just said, this is a problem, and problems need fixed.
 

Juggs

Lose without excuses
Lead Moderator
Premium Supporter
He has won 3 or 4 majors on a row now, not mentioning the ones before that. He may have lost more than he won but not by much at all. Actually, he might have won more than he has lost at this point but what does that matter? The game has barely been out a year, and he has already won close to half the majors. And he still has more than 2 times more tourny wins than any other fighter in the entire game. And the game has only been out for 1 year. He is winning the majority of majors. By a lot. And it will continue. And going by what you just said, this is a problem, and problems need fixed.
You can't count the wins by REO. It wasn't the character winning, it was REO.