The REAL Johnny Cage Match Up Chart

[NYCj360]

Nw is better against Cage than Jax IMO, he has the same threats, but they do more damage, better strings etc. The hitbox thing doesnt really matter against Cage unless its Reptile or Ermac

Cyrax vs Cage is 5-5, because while Cage can catch Cyrax and do alot of damage, its the same for Cyrax, Cage usually has to use his meter whenever possible while up close, just to make sure Cyrax cant move, which means if you do get hit by a Cyrax, you're more likely to eat the combos.

They both have 9 frame moves, and each time the other gets caught they're both gonna lose alot of life.

Everyone looks at me like im crazy when i say this, even without the resets if cyrax starts off offense by landing a hit or command grab, cage is the one who has to guess against cyrax's 1001 options.

 

[ragnar0kz28]

Once again dont agree on Kitana being bad agains him Kitana does really good vs Cage once Kitana has the life lead hes screwed if played properlly just runaway and spammbot mode on to the corner then fly away again and start over.

 

[Hitoshura]

Then this isnt a 'true' matchup chart now is it? Because of the publicity Cage has gotten due to MLG, is that not the reason these Cage bandwagon has popped up everywhere? Besides, no one has thoroughly explored many of the cast yet, such as Scarlett, NW, Stryker, Baraka, whos to say no 'new tech' would boost them up to S tier?

These types of charts are a waste of time and are stupid. 2-8s in this game? No thanks, its much more balanced than you are giving it credits for. My friend plays Scorpion and he still beats my Cage 45-50% of the time, does this mean I am playing that horribly that I would lose to a 2-8 match? Am I being outplayed by that much? No. This thread is stupid and a waste of bandwidth. Dont feed the trolls.

1) exactly. No one has full explored the game hence what I said about evolving/change. Mu #'s change either for good or bad and so do tier list placement over time. I mean look at MVC2. How long was doom and strider top shit b4 magneto, storm, and whoever else became God like? This game will consistently go through changes even when MK10 comes out. I highly doubt we will have MK9 fully fleshed out b4 MK10 release unless they dnt release MK10 for 5 years and even then look and SSF2T. it took 10 yrs to fully flesh that game out.

2) Maybe REO found something with Cage that cripples scorpion you don't know about. hence the reason behind Tier list. 2 players of equal skill playing 10 matches. Knowledge also = skill so maybe He knows something you don't. Always keep that in mind.

3) This game is far from balanced. With kabal shenanigans, guaranteed resets, and counter picking with stages this game is far from balanced lol

 

[AK L0rdoftheFLY]

Then this isnt a 'true' matchup chart now is it? Because of the publicity Cage has gotten due to MLG, is that not the reason these Cage bandwagon has popped up everywhere? Besides, no one has thoroughly explored many of the cast yet, such as Scarlett, NW, Stryker, Baraka, whos to say no 'new tech' would boost them up to S tier?

These types of charts are a waste of time and are stupid. 2-8s in this game? No thanks, its much more balanced than you are giving it credits for. My friend plays Scorpion and he still beats my Cage 45-50% of the time, does this mean I am playing that horribly that I would lose to a 2-8 match? Am I being outplayed by that much? No. This thread is stupid and a waste of bandwidth. Dont feed the trolls.

Nw has no game breaking tech...trust me. He is purely footsies. He is a mixture or jax (lightning/normal strings/shulder) and cage ( similar f3 mixups/good AA/no reset but eh lightning threat)

He is just a solid all around character

 

[PND_Mustard]

Cyrax vs Cage is 5-5, because while Cage can catch Cyrax and do alot of damage, its the same for Cyrax, Cage usually has to use his meter whenever possible while up close, just to make sure Cyrax cant move, which means if you do get hit by a Cyrax, you're more likely to eat the combos.

They both have 9 frame moves, and each time the other gets caught they're both gonna lose alot of life.

from my perspective the only thing cage has to worry about damage wise from cyrax is getting hit by a full ground combo, cyrax's air to air damage, anti air, d1 catching startup jump hitconfirm combos only really do 20% ish, but no matter where cage catches you you're getting nutpunch resetted into chip, however, the fact cyrax can indeed drain cages meter taking away the forceball traps is huge, i do feel its a 5.5-4.5 Cage, but no worse than that.

 

[GNG Iniquity]

I don't think this is entirely accurate, but it's pretty damn close. Cage vs Scorpion, Cage wins regardless. What does Scorpion have in that department? Awful footsies and a gimmick - a gimmick in which if he guesses incorrectly Cage gets to full combo punish him; nut punch him, build meter AND out footsie him in the process. Scorpion is a gimmick; a bad gimmick at that.

 

[Enigma642]

Reo and Brady stopped arguing long enough to collaborate on a tier list? I call foul.

Being serious though, I'm glad somebody finally made a list with something other than 6-4s and 5-5s.

 

[ragnar0kz28]

Now cage is broken, before smoke was broken, who next? who who who!

edit

jax was broken too, and kabal.

Skarlet for real that girl is uber.

 

[salvificblood]

I don't really think Cage is broken. It's not easy to play Cage like Foxy plays him (haven't played you other great Cage players out there), and I think it's really a case of footsies. Foxy plays some really stupidly good footsies that make me curse every time we play and that's seems to be the secret to him doing well with all his characters. Foxy is way more broken than JC but people equally good with characters like Sub, Kung Lao, Kenshi, Kabal, Sonya and so on, will give Cage a hard time because those characters all have really good footsies/very strong zoning in the case of Kabal.

Cage is a very good character but he's not as bs as Jax or Kabal, imo and he doesn't have the damage exploits that Cyrax, Smoke and Jax have, so he's alright, imo. He doesn't need to be nerfed or exposed as op. He has his bad matchups, people just need to improve their footsies.

 

[IKizzLE]

This thread rules. I eagerly anticipate The Real Sektor MU Chart.

That chart will have the most 5-5s out of any character chart guaranteed.

 

[greeneless]

I don't really think Cage is broken. It's not easy to play Cage like Foxy plays him (haven't played you other great Cage players out there), and I think it's really a case of footsies. Foxy plays some really stupidly good footsies that make me curse every time we play and that's seems to be the secret to him doing well with all his characters. Foxy is way more broken than JC but people equally good with characters like Sub, Kung Lao, Kenshi, Kabal, Sonya and so on, will give Cage a hard time because those characters all have really good footsies/very strong zoning in the case of Kabal.

Cage is a very good character but he's not as bs as Jax or Kabal, imo and he doesn't have the damage exploits that Cyrax, Smoke and Jax have, so he's alright, imo. He doesn't need to be nerfed or exposed as op. He has his bad matchups, people just need to improve their footsies.

Smh. No, cage doesn't have damage exploits... he can just anti-air D+1 you into a safe jump. He can hit confirm block strings.. into a safe jump. His BnB's end ... in a SAFE JUMP. Sure, other characters have standing resets, but none of them give as much advantage as Cage's. None of those characters can pull their standing reset out of their ass whenever they want and turn the game around just for hitting you once like Cage can. Smoke and Cyrax need combos for their damage exploits. Jax needs to be in the corner. Cage can fuck you at any time from mid screen, corner, or where ever. All he has to do is touch you.

 

[Theme]

Nw has no game breaking tech...trust me. He is purely footsies. He is a mixture or jax (lightning/normal strings/shulder) and cage ( similar f3 mixups/good AA/no reset but eh lightning threat)

He is just a solid all around character

I know your the face of Nightwolf, but you never know

I don't think this is entirely accurate, but it's pretty damn close. Cage vs Scorpion, Cage wins regardless. What does Scorpion have in that department? Awful footsies and a gimmick - a gimmick in which if he guesses incorrectly Cage gets to full combo punish him; nut punch him, build meter AND out footsie him in the process. Scorpion is a gimmick; a bad gimmick at that.

Other things factor into the matchups. Thats why I hate matchup charts. Just because on paper Scorpion looks like a scrub character compared to Cage, doesn't mean its the case in a real match. If you put up Slips vs Curbo, it isnt going to be onesided 2-8. Sure Curbo has the advantage of a better character, but its not gamebreaking 2-8 type of shit.

 

[salvificblood]

Smh. No, cage doesn't have damage exploits... he can just anti-air D+1 you into a safe jump. He can hit confirm block strings.. into a safe jump. His BnB's end ... in a SAFE JUMP. Sure, other characters have standing resets, but none of them give as much advantage as Cage's. None of those characters can pull their standing reset out of their ass whenever they want and turn the game around just for hitting you once like Cage can. Smoke and Cyrax need combos for their damage exploits. Jax needs to be in the corner. Cage can fuck you at any time from mid screen, corner, or where ever. All he has to do is touch you.

That's just how the character is designed. he's very bad at full-mid screen and very good up close. If you have good spacing and footsies, you can potentially lock him out all round as well as getting damage yourself. If it was easy to do this to a good cage, the character would be very much in need of buffs, however. It's not easy to do but that doesn't mean you can just blame everything on the character. He's a pain but he's not broken.

 

[PND OmegaK]

Cage is a very good character but he's not as bs as Jax or Kabal

Why are you kidding yourself?

 

[Treadmill]

What? Slow assballs and Spit with Noob Saibot recovery? And there's a way to frame trap him with EN forceball which is 13 x EN forceball.

If 13exball works then great for him...I have never noticed, I just know everytime someone goes for the exball trap I'm able to poke out, maybe that string is the exception.

And yes I mean his slow Ass balls and spit. It's not like cage teleports. Once you get distance and put one on screen, you can be smart and make it hard for him to get in while you build more meter. I didn't so cage gets blown up...5-5 could be accurate, I'm just saying I feel reptile has tools to combat cage.

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[greeneless]

That's just how the character is designed. he's very bad at full-mid screen and very good up close. If you have good spacing and footsies, you can potentially lock him out all round as well as getting damage yourself. If it was easy to do this to a good cage, the character would be very much in need of buffs, however. It's not easy to do but that doesn't mean you can just blame everything on the character. He's a pain but he's not broken.

Dude I'm not calling him broken but he's way worse than Jax and maybe worse than Kabal.

 

[MashPotatoTower]

" the real" match up chart is so far the most unbelieveable one

 

[Treadmill]

If 13exball works then great for him...I have never noticed, I just know everytime someone goes for the exball trap I'm able to poke out, maybe that string is the exception.

And yes I mean his slow Ass balls and spit. It's not like cage teleports. Once you get distance and put one on screen, you can be smart and make it hard for him to get in while you build more meter. I didn't so cage gets blown up...5-5 could be accurate, I'm just saying I feel reptile has tools to combat cage.

Oh and reptile has good footsies as I mentioned earlier.
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[Deity]

THE REAL SKARLET MU CHART


Skarlet vs the entire cast 8.5-2.5
Skarlet vs. the elder gods 9-1
Skarlet vs. the illuminati 10-0

Come on people...she has RED FUCKING HAIR.

On topic: If this list is real, then I don't agree with the Jade MU. Her new staff grab is pretty obnoxious, her footsies are godlike, and glow is still stupid as hell. I'd say 6-4 cage.

 

[salvificblood]

Why are you kidding yourself?

I honestly don't think he is. Kabal is the worst character on God's green earth, imo, and I think Sonya has more retarded stuff she can just throw out and rape you with than cage has. Everybody complains about the nutpunch as though it's not full combo punishable. If you read Cage is going to do a nutpunch to break up your pressure, just block it and then combo him. If he gets you with it, fair play to the guy, he made the right read and you were over zealous in your pressure.

That's fairer to me than Jax just armouring through anything and everything and laughing at the fact he's just put you in the cornerwhere he will now do over 100% if you guess wrong. Kabal using the ex spin cancel to safely armour his way out of the corner and into a blockstring/combo, Kung Lao doing whiffed ex teles to armour through everything. Sonya doing 3 ex cartwheels in a row. They all have their dumb shit, why demand nerfs to Cage anymore than these characters?

 

[greeneless]

" the real" match up chart is so far the most unbelieveable one

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[Gesture Required Ahead]

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Reptile's zoning isn't going to get him 100% of Cage's life. And what happens if Cage gets in? It's game over.And Cage WILL get in.It doesn't take much to just wait for 2 forceballs and armor through them.

 

[salvificblood]

This thread is retarded.

Reptile's zoning isn't going to get him 100% of Cage's life. And what happens if Cage gets in? It's game over.And Cage WILL get in.It doesn't take much to just wait for 2 forceballs and armor through them.

What if Reptile gets out, and Reptile WILL get out. Does that make it a 5-5?

 

[MagicMan357]

people seriously must not know kano doesnt suck ass like they think, i mean seriously hes not as good as he should be but people think hes a fucking turd on rye

Kanos zoning is dependent on knife and EX knife variation which is done right can keep johnny out at full screen

Kanos d1 is an AA so he cant jump at you with good footsies

Kanos choke can actually interrupt johnnys f3 crap

Johnnys wake up game can easily be made useless

6-4 johnny favor if anything

 

[MashPotatoTower]

Johnny cage is hard but it's. Of like you can't pressure him back or whiff punish f3
He is a grind to fight but this chart Is redonk
An 8 - 2 ? Was bowser vs sheik even an 8 - 2 in melee?