I rather back dash 22~Ice Blast him off the air or d1 into 212~Ice Blast but this one is tricky.
But anyways the thread is pointless because Truth didn't even understand what's been jailed by KL's teleport. I'll try to find the vid that Tom Brady did and post here. One sec.
blake, there are ways you can do the the teleport 3 vs sub and he can do anything. btw, whiffing a d1/d4 under an instant teleport 3 means KL gets a free spin.. ENJOY!!I never knew you could whiff Kung Lao's teleport 3 at all...I thought that if he was low enough to the ground after appearing from his teleport, you were forced to block it or eat damage, period. This really opened up my eyes.
The next time I ever indulge in this match-up, I will keep what I learned here in mind. Thank you for sharing the video!
Care to impart a few examples, out of curiousity? That teleport 3 is the biggest reason Kung Lao gives me grief, regardless of which character I use.blake, there are ways you can do the the teleport 3 vs sub and he can do anything.
pick a low hit box character blake.Care to impart a few examples, out of curiousity? That teleport 3 is the biggest reason Kung Lao gives me grief, regardless of which character I use.
HAHA!pick a low hit box character blake.
sonya works well vs all of KL's teleport options. i have her as one of his bad matches.HAHA!
Yeah, I know. I was laughing at myself because I find it funny how the teleport 3 can still irk me while I use Sonya.sonya works well vs all of KL's teleport options. i have her as one of his bad matches.
Do you happen to have the link? I heard about it but didn't get a chance to watch it. If not I can hunt through your youtube history later tonight.Its a video on a FULL sub-zero match up chart.. in this vid i also went over each match and showed what sub can and cannot do vs each character.
Ermac is great at medium and far distante. He is a good zonner with great capacity of dealing damage (His BnB does like 45%). At close range he isn't so great. Slow strings, bad wake up options, no armor on enhanced moves, so you gonna have to explore that as much as possible with b121 and 21 mix ups (I can elaborate this better if it's not clear what I'm trying to tell you). His Force Push is punishable by full combo if you're very close or by Slide if you're close but not that close, don't you ever forget this. I see tons of Sub-Zeros blocking his Force Push all day without punishing it how they should. Basically the rest comes with experience in the match up (meaning good reads). If he plays offensively better for you because soon of later he gonna fall for your Ice Clone baits and if he is near you could risk 2,2 (as anti-air move) trying to predict his jump which leads to full combo.Well Bidu, I saw your vid against Ermac, amazing battle by the way, any tips on how to deal with him and people like Quan Chi?
Thanks for the advice. A friend of mine KingRey plays one mean Quan-Chi and I was having trouble dealing with him due to the fact that he has trance (Which lasts longer than normal ice ball), and he has that unblockable string. Are you on Xbox or ps3 cause I'd love to play against you and get your input on what I can do to improve my SZ. I know force push is punishable but I seem to have issues doing do. Should I use B1,2 or 2,2?Ermac is great at medium and far distante. He is a good zonner with great capacity of dealing damage (His BnB does like 45%). At close range he isn't so great. Slow strings, bad wake up options, no armor on enhanced moves, so you gonna have to explore that as much as possible with b121 and 21 mix ups (I can elaborate this better if it's not clear what I'm trying to tell you). His Force Push is punishable by full combo if you're very close or by Slide if you're close but not that close, don't you ever forget this. I see tons of Sub-Zeros blocking his Force Push all day without punishing it how they should. Basically the rest comes with experience in the match up (meaning good reads). If he plays offensively better for you because soon of later he gonna fall for your Ice Clone baits and if he is near you could risk 2,2 (as anti-air move) trying to predict his jump which leads to full combo.
You have enter close range, but at the same time you gotta be patience, because he can punish many moves you do from medium range. 214~Ice Clone is punishable by Force Push, by the way. Not sure about 224~Ice Clone, but I believe it's punishable as well. It's not a easy match up, any wrong read can lead to 40%+ damage for him, but like I said, Ermac isn't the best dealing with close pressure.
Quan Chi is a good 5-5 match up imo. He has a good combination of strings that you gotta learn otherwise you gonna end falling into his resets and strings variations all day long lol. Sub-Zero destroys Quan Chi at corner since he doesn't have many tools (aka enhanced specials with armor) to get out. It's another character that you can apply pressure basically for free once you knock him down, since his wake up options ain't the best either.
Thanks for the advice. A friend of mine KingRey plays one mean Quan-Chi and I was having trouble dealing with him due to the fact that he has trance (Which lasts longer than normal ice ball), and he has that unblockable string. Are you on Xbox or ps3 cause I'd love to play against you and get your input on what I can do to improve my SZ. I know force push is punishable but I seem to have issues doing do. Should I use B1,2 or 2,2?
So what you're basically saying is that any character that can duck SZ's standing 2 it's 6-4?bidu im pretty sure quan chi can duck sub zeros standing 2. its not 55 u cant pressure him at all.. i say 6 4 quan chi
Yea that sounds about right Quan-Chi has a bunch of things that Sub just cant deal with very well. He kind of pisses all over Subs game... though most characters do that....Ps3, but I avoid playing online due lag. But yeah, sure we could play. My psn is FabioBidu.
Your question, you mean which string to use t
So what you're basically saying is that any character that can duck SZ's standing 2 it's 6-4?
Want to play now since you're online too?Yea that sounds about right Quan-Chi ha
I can't right now cause I'm at work but when I get home, for sure. I should be home around 12. My psn is Soryio.Want to play now since you're online too?
9:51pm what about you?And what time is it for you right now? lol
I'm sorry, but if your still awake when I get home then we will fight, But if not then we could always do it tomorrow. I just really want some good advice about Sub from some one good, and your pretty damn good.12:08 am now. lol I'm from Brazil.
Im not saying that at all, but the fact is you cannot pressure him at all. you have to go to him, and when you get in, you can't pressure him. he can just block low, watch for fwd 4 and all sub can do is d4. then he simply counter pokes or steps back and wiff punishes the next d4.So what you're basically saying is that any character that can duck SZ's standing 2 it's 6-4?
holy sh!t, must find this!Its a video on a FULL sub-zero match up chart.. in this vid i also went over each match and showed what sub can and cannot do vs each character.