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Yeah it was awesome... until they removed it after EVO.Strikes me as being much more useful than EX-Clone. Just me though.
Yeah it was awesome... until they removed it after EVO.Strikes me as being much more useful than EX-Clone. Just me though.
Having a run of being awesome, still strikes me as being more useful than being a complete waste of meter for the entire duration of the games lifespan (EX-Clone so far).Yeah it was awesome... until they removed it after EVO.
will it be posted in youtube?Not here to get involved with which SZ is better. 2 things..
1. The overhead is "godlike"? It is full combo punished with little difficulty by almost the entire cast. Not something that is abuseable outside of corner traps and even then is full combo punished by half the cast.
2. Clone is a good move, but going away on block is a big deal. Turned matches like D'Vorah into 3-7s. At the very least the EX clone should form correctly as a special cancel off of attacks and remain on block like the old clone did.
I'm not sure why people think anything will change. I got over this weeks ago and I suggest you all do the same. SZ is not getting one single change or fix in any variation. I suggest you look at how I changed him around drastically once I just accepted this is how he is and there is no change coming. I did a BIG tutorial last night which I'm sure was missed by 90% of SZ players.
is it really a dumb question? or did I do it to see what opinions others have in this community hm?It is pitiful that people will have to wait until the fourth page to read a constructive, rational, and impartial post that answers the topic creator's dumb question.
May Tremor be a rush down character if I am wrong, but I highly doubt 90% of all Sub Zero players in this thread even played Mortal Kombat 9 and Sub Zero. If they did, they would know that Sub Zero did not even have a mid poke against 1/3rd of the characters. Perhaps more. He struggled immensely against top tier zoning characters, to whom he universally lost 7:3 except Kenshi, who probably beat him 8:2. In Mortal Kombat X, every Sub Zero weakness has been addressed to an extent. His anti-zoning tools have been vastly improved, his mid pokes can actually hit opponents, and running tremendously helps with maximum full-screen ice ball / ice blast conversions.
As far as ice clone disappearing on block and on hit, do you fools really want this change reverted? You fools do realize that as of 07/07/2015 another special move exists with identical functionality, right? And I am absolutely certain no player in the community would want to deal with this move not disappearing on block and on hit.
Air Clone was a lot more useful than THTB is giving in credit for that much is certain, but buy the same token you can't really compare scorpion to Sub since I'm mk9 scorpion still had weaker and much unsafer versions of the same things, where as in mkx it's subzero who could arguably have weaker versions of the same tools, but even this is false an here is why. The game engine itself works FAR better for sub in this game, than it ever did in 9, and even I'm Mk9 the clone was good. Now here's where we compare clones if you will.I think you are looking at it the wrong way. Look at what he trades to get that Clone. Let's compare him to say Scorpion, a well balanced character with very similar normals and speed. Iceball is pretty comparative to Chain, they both have a slide (although Sub's is definitely a bit better)... now lets look at the trade offs. No Teleport, no Flame Aura, no Run Cancels, no real projectile excluding Clone Toss, no Unlockable Hell Fire, much weaker combos.
Now considering all this, it might be pretty easy to make a Clone "crappy" considering how much you are relying on it... especially if it was to say, be completely unsafe, be completely inconsistent and randomly whiff but still give you the recovery frames, disappear on block, and not actually freeze people who punch through it.
I'm not saying it's useless however, just that MK9 clone is a lot better.
Wait, so your opinion is that the new Ice Clone is UNARGUABLY better, because of two DIFFERENT specials that have interactions with it? That's got nothing to do with the Clone, on top of that, Clone Toss and the niche interaction that is Clone Shatter in no way make up for the safeness and reliability of MK9, and the fact that you can get Air clones. Saying "reliability" doesnt even do it justice, MK9's Clone is so much better than MK9's, thats why it's a "crappy Clone". The only sensible comparison is MK9's Clone to which it got worse, you can ARGUE otherwise, but to act like its so clean cut undebatable that it needed that retarded page swallowing gif is just you being an obnoxious twat.
Strikes me as being much more useful than EX-Clone. Just me though.
Is there a video of this?. I did a BIG tutorial last night which I'm sure was missed by 90% of SZ players.
uh... I agree that MKX Sub is better, but... no way in hell are the shit strings we have in this game better than MK9 Sub's strings.better strings,
Slow down there buddy lol13F4
You could use air clone to avoid projectiles when people tried knocking you out of the air with them. I also liked to use it vs Kitanas in the corner if I didn't have meter for ex slide to throw them back from an ass fly. Stopped them from doing that right quick.Okay so to whoever posted the ice puddle trap saying wow what are you talking about this seems for useful than mkx ex clone. STOP. The garuanteed reset was removed and every other ice puddle set up can be avoided on reaction. So STOP. To the person randomly attacking I Got HANDS, he is fine, whether you agree or disagree with him, he's certainly no worse than the average tym poster so STOP. As far as mk9 air clone being useful, the only matchup I ever actually used it in was csz and even then it was sparingly. So STOP. You people drive me crazy lol.
Anytime you put an ice puddle on the screen at all you would be full comboed by someone with an idea of what was going on. I mean ex clone has it's issues but even with it's inconsistencies it has it's uses.Having a run of being awesome, still strikes me as being more useful than being a complete waste of meter for the entire duration of the games lifespan (EX-Clone so far).
They are actually pretty similar in uselessness at the moment, now that I think about it.
This string was godlike. Couldn't really clone cancel, but no one ever expected the overhead, b/c no one used the string. Worked a lot. And you could actually cancel after the 3 and get a weird clone that would catch people.Slow down there buddy lol
If you were at a range where you used air clone to avoid a projectile... why did you jump in the first place? And I forgot about kitana, fair enough thereYou could use air clone to avoid projectiles when people tried knocking you out of the air with them. I also liked to use it vs Kitanas in the corner if I didn't have meter for ex slide to throw them back from an ass fly. Stopped them from doing that right quick.
Just... throwing that out there lol
Are you really telling me in tournament you would ever throw that string out over a 22 or 21 string? Like it wasn't horrible but he had better options.This string was godlike. Couldn't really clone cancel, but no one ever expected the overhead, b/c no one used the string. Worked a lot. And you could actually cancel after the 3 and get a weird clone that would catch people.
Also worked really great in the corner to set up the fully charged B2.
I have been saying that for a while.And now that I think about it... I'm not entirely convinced that Ice Blast is better in this game than MKX. Enhanced version, absolutely... but regular? I don't know about that.
I would and have. lolAre you really telling me in tournament you would ever throw that string out over a 22 or 21 string? Like it wasn't horrible but he had better options.
So you definitely didn't bother watching the video. I'm pretty sure creating of a 63% reset is far more useful than EX-Clone has ever been and if remains unchanged, ever will be. Unless you can tell me what EX-Clone does thats even close to approaching this kind of usefulness?Anytime you put an ice puddle on the screen at all you would be full comboed by someone with an idea of what was going on. I mean ex clone has it's issues but even with it's inconsistencies it has it's uses.
Ice puddle resets were a glitch and were patched out. Any reset using ex ice puddle is escapableSo you definitely didn't bother watching the video. I'm pretty sure creating of a 63% reset is far more useful than EX-Clone has ever been and if remains unchanged, ever will be. Unless you can tell me what EX-Clone does thats even close to approaching this kind of usefulness?
Sure, doesnt change the fact that it had a period of time of being useful, which is MUCH more than can be said about EX-Clone (which is also glitched).Ice puddle resets were a glitch and were patched out. Any reset using ex ice puddle is escapable
In a game like MKX he'd get overwhelmed very quickly without them. I would agree with you, if that didn't imply that the rest of the cast kept their own 50/50. That and the fact that all his string save for 1 are negative means that a cant jail nearly as effectively in this game, and after playing mk9 a little today, I realized that cool down in this game longer than it was in 9. In MK9 most of what he did was 0 on block, meaning he could do it, and press more buttons after and create stagger pressure. In this game not so much. And since sub cannot really force a trade unless he has meter, clone toss is invaluable as a means to do chip, cause damage and get in, as well as shatter being a valuable tool to also do chip and slow down corner escape throw jumping, now I'd be okay if he lost shatter but gained 2,2 cause imho 2,2 is a way better and more consistent AA, and it's range make it an invaluable poking tool.I'm no sub main, so I won't speak of witch sub is better. I don't even feel there should be a debate about it tbh.
anyway I really liked MK9 subzero: slow movements, space control and corner jailing via clone made him really unique. I feel like MKX sub is just another char. grand master's clone should work, I agree, but I also think that he should move way more slowly and without 50/50s or clone shatter / throw.