Every MK with subzero having Ice Clone, the Ice Clone freezes on contact. If you want to learn to walk up block the clone and shatter it, go for it...But for the clone to literally let attacks go all the way through it. It's broken. Stop denying it's broken. This discussion needs to end.
P.S. Add an avatar and take away "noob" from under your picture. It's minor but it makes me doubt anything you say has value when you haven't been around for long.
Talking about every other MK doesn't do anything because i'm sure NRS knew this. If they come out and claim that even the slightest touch should freeze i'll concede this argument. I won't like it nor think it's right but meh wouldn't be able to do much after that.
Also me being any new to these forums shouldn't affect you in a negative way especially when i'v shown i have a firm enough grasp on fighters to portray a hurtbox / hitbox issue. The NRS community should be welcoming any newcomers especially when they probably have the most negative stigma surrounding their game. Someone new comes in speaking reasonably with valid points shouldn't be outright ignored. And no i'm not saying heed my words and follow my advice but i should at the very least be listened to.
Fix it to match the visuals. I'm no programmer, but matching the hitbox with the visual just seems like basic common-sense.
Yes i thought that too until I saw the many cases of developers changing those very things to allow for better gameplay. It happens. SfxT got patched to where a lot of specific normals had upper torso invincibility. So the body is there but you can't touch it.
I go out for a walk in the park and when I come back this thread is already teaming with pointless argument... well then, let's begin:
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It seems you have a problem then!
What you are suggesting cannot be put into use because when doing a superman on reaction to the klone you catch SZ in the recovery frames where he can't get away from the klone or block.
This is demonstrated in the second video in the OP.
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No, this thread's purpose is to let people know that the klone is not doing it's job of freezing opponents on direct contact.
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The visual glitches are not important. We can deal with some visual artifacts as long as the end result is the klone performing it's role or freezing the opponent on direct contact.
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Yes, I am telling you I want to be able to stand in the klone and it to have no effect of the klone's ability to freeze on direct contact.
Please explain why you think this would ever be considered as a broken aspect?
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The reason we want the klone to be looked at is that it is not doing what it is supposed to do.And I think plenty of people will agree that this is a good reason.
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Please understand that it is not our duty to offer solutions to this matter, we are here to show people that the klone is not fulfilling it's purpose.
It is up to NRS to decide what needs to be done with this and if it warants any changes.
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All this makes the klone an inconsistent and undependable tool that hurts SZ as a character as long as it does not freeze on direct contact 100% of the time.
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That's because it would be pointless to do so, just like someone working at a dry cleaners asking a customer why they want their clothes clean? You just do.
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Please be so kind as to list a few reasons why you believe fixing the klone will cause "major" matchup changes.
I'm sure we would all be delighted to hear you.
Thank all who had the patience to go through all of this.
1) Exactly so don't do it in neutral. I'm sure there is some kinda midscreen setup to have clone out. Then take a step back and it's all yours. You just can't do it for free now against Raiden.
2) The clone does do it's job. It's just that there instances where other things are doing it's job. Take the F/T d1 for example. Who's to say the d1 hurtbox is how it is so it can be used more willingly? Has anyone tested to see how it trades against things? This is one of my complaints with the sub mains. You guys didn't do any actual research. Just recorded one instance of something not going how you expect and want it changed. A change that would affect the game mind you.
3) Once again the clone could be working perfectly according to NRS. Just cause it looks funky to you doesn't mean it's wrong. I thought a rule in RISK worked a certain way because it seemed fair to me. Then I was shown it actually works differently. My point is you could be interpreting this wrong. I would've been ok with just a "notice this thing" thread but you're asking for matchup changing things.
4) Because effectively being able to shut down a counterattack and mount your own offense whenever is crazy to me. Maybe not broken but definitely up there in a discussion of it being OP.
5) Arguments 2 and 3.
6) It isn't your job to find solutions. But it is your job to build a substantial case when asking for a change. Did any of you try the clone cancel in the vid and then space sub zero away or even block? No one knows because no one bothered to say anything if they did. Imagine I get a move being used to Anti Air me nerfed because i and a bunch of others feel my move should beat that move. That's it.
7) Is it undependable? in certain situations. I've already asked to be shown where this is cancelling out his gameplan enough to have a negative effect and no one rose to that challenge. That same thing would be used against any change thread. This should be used as an opportunity to enlighten a fellow player but i've just been met with "I want this fixed."
8) Wanting clean clothes is entirely different than changing up the rules to a game. If someone wanted the shot clock in basketball to start at 40 instead of 25 because they felt it "damaged" the game or the shot clock "wasnt doing it's job" they would need more proof than one example. I hope no rule is ever changed based on man like that.
9) Changing the clone so it catches way more things could very well make counter pokes irrelevant and give free 50/50s all day. You're the one asking for the change. Explain what you want and how it wouldn't majorly change matchups and such. You have to provide evidence not the other way around. Would you ask NRS to give reasons why if they left it alone, without first giving your own reasons why it should be changed?