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What the tier list would look like if the top representative of each character didn't exist

BlastX21

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A lot of the top reps have single-handedly revolutionized their character and made the entire community think differently of them with their successes. I was thinking the other day about how Zod would be viewed as a character if Pig had never picked him up, and it spawned the idea for this thread.

Just for fun. Feel free to list your own thoughts on various characters.



I'll just list a few characters off the top of my head, not going to list every single one.



Batman - Arma has had enough showings and success with the character that the community would still know how strong Batman is, even without Forever King. While there would be chants of how Batman hasn't been able to win a major, he would likely stay where he is on the tier chart.

GL - There have been a plethora of successful Green Lantern players, so losing one (the top rep is debatable) would have minimal effect on his placing.

Harley - She definently drops without Saltface. Harley would have no tournament success whasoever (from memory) had he not been putting in work with her. She may not be considered bottom tier, but there would be a lot more downplaying.

Shazam - Stays the same. I think most people recognize that Shazam isn't good, Digit is just great.

Catwoman - this character is likely thought of as a complete shitter without 16 bit's representation. He has done everything for Selina in the context of making us believe that she's not one of the worst characters in the game.

MMH - Aquaman will be considered the best character in Injustice if Jupiter was not out there destroying people. Reo's is great, but he never made Grand Finals and has largely no-showed for the last several months. Jupiter's domination at multiple tournaments are the driving force of cries for MMH nerfs. Without him, the community would know that he's great, but would never know how exactly how great.

Zod - Clearly, Pig has revolutionized this character. He created most of its tech, owns all of its tournament successes, and is the sole reason Zod is considered top tier. I imagine the Zod community to become extravagant downplayers without everything Pig has shown them. The main Zod rep would become M2Dave, who himself has likely picked up a lot of Pig's tech and tactics, without which we may not see any Zod success in tournament.
 
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BlastX21

Noob
I probably should have worded the thread title as "How characters would be viewed if their top representative didn't exist". The current one kind of implies that we're imagining a world where *all* top reps don't exist (King, Pig, and Bit are all gone) when the intent is to portray a world where everything is the same except for one rep from one character not being there (then doing this for each individual).
 

MLDoom

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I would have to say Oxygen with Lobo and Mr. Aquaman with Ares definitely changed how those characters were looked at. Oxygen was the first real Lobo to make top 8 at a major and even though Mr. Aquaman hasn't done the same he's made the biggest splash with Ares barring Alucards huge blowup early in the game's life.
 
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MLDoom

All these prices and I'm still free
Also, PPJ with Hawkgirl. A lot of people thought Hawkgirl was a shitter early and the game's lifespan and PPJ won NEC with her and recently placed top 4 at Evo with the "shitter" doing things in tournament nobody else really has tbh.
 

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
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I think it's possible Catwoman would be seen as better, at least among many players. If I wasn't playing her you wouldn't see a player that's proven to be good with her losing badly against characters like Sinestro, Aquaman and Bane. The mentality could still be that these matchups are fine and the perceived CW meta would be stuck with "jump 2 is broke" and the other simple talking points from way back.
 

SkaGoogle

Tailgates & Tan-lines !
shazam would still be seen as garbage because no digit, grundy as well because no tyrant, raven would be one of those characters that wouldn't have her full potential, ares would still be bad without mraquaman, joker would still be ass, black adam would still be ass, hawkgirl and frost wouldn't be played.
 

Awkward Sloth

Lamest Harley, still better sloth than Jer
Deg also played/plays Harley and Technically speaking has had better results in both CEO showings. So there's still Deg. Also Kitana Prime is good at taking out other top players with his Harley.

But Saltface has apologized about robbing the Harley community of our buffs and making us a little delusional...So yea.
 

Amplified$hotz

I like Tekken 8
Joker would be sub-zero tier if it want for people like EMP_Dark and qwark.
Sinestro might have been lower before. Maybe

KH Cat was also important for joker
 
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BlastX21

Noob
shazam would still be seen as garbage because no digit, grundy as well because no tyrant, raven would be one of those characters that wouldn't have her full potential, ares would still be bad without mraquaman, joker would still be ass, black adam would still be ass, hawkgirl and frost wouldn't be played.
I disagree about Raven. Ducky hasn't been to *that* many tournaments. Glass Sword has still been good enough to rep this character well and show off her tools.

Agree with most others.
 

MLDoom

All these prices and I'm still free
Deg also played/plays Harley and Technically speaking has had better results in both CEO showings. So there's still Deg. Also Kitana Prime is good at taking out other top players with his Harley.

But Saltface has apologized about robbing the Harley community of our buffs and making us a little delusional...So yea.
I wanted to mention Deg but his CEO placing was based on his counterpicking between scorpion and Harley at the time. He wasn't a pure Harley like Saltface at the time. I felt as though if he had played Harley the whole way, results may have differed.
 

Groove Heaven

Jobber-baron
Zod - Clearly, Pig has revolutionized this character. He created most of its tech, owns all of its tournament successes, and is the sole reason Zod is considered top tier. I imagine the Zod community to become extravagant downplayers without everything Pig has shown them. The main Zod rep would become M2Dave, who himself has likely picked up a lot of Pig's tech and tactics, without which we may not see any Zod success in tournament.
I dunno about this, we also have top 8 placers/all-around good Zods like Relaxedstate and Viking. I think he without Pig he would have been one of those "super good on paper but why isn't he getting results?" characters.

If Sonicfox didn't absolutely wreck face at any tourney he shows up to me might think Batgirl was out of the top 5 discussion.

Without KDZ I'm not sure we would have known just how broken pre-patch Supes was because Theo played him as more of a zoning character than overwhelming people with f23 into 70% corner combos.

Rico had a lot more success than any other Bladam player, but I feel like we still would have called him broken just because of backdash.

Awesome thread by the way, great idea...
 

SkaGoogle

Tailgates & Tan-lines !
I disagree about Raven. Ducky hasn't been to *that* many tournaments. Glass Sword has still been good enough to rep this character well and show off her tools.

Agree with most others.
I think glass sword is good but his reads aren't on the level of ducky's, they don't play the same.
 

BlastX21

Noob
I think it's possible Catwoman would be seen as better, at least among many players. If I wasn't playing her you wouldn't see a player that's proven to be good with her losing badly against characters like Sinestro, Aquaman and Bane. The mentality could still be that these matchups are fine and the perceived CW meta would be stuck with "jump 2 is broke" and the other simple talking points from way back.
I don't know. People would likely *assume* that she loses to Aquaman and Bane. Basic knowledge of the those character' tools leads to that conclusion.
 

Awkward Sloth

Lamest Harley, still better sloth than Jer
I wanted to mention Deg but his CEO placing was based on his counterpicking between scorpion and Harley at the time. He wasn't a pure Harley like Saltface at the time. I felt as though if he had played Harley the whole way, results may have differed.
Well the game was quite different back then with Scorpion being a top 4 character. And Deg showed better then most he actually was able to overcome said match up with Harley. I mean he lost but he did do better then most everyone.

Also I'd like to nominate Chris G / Green Arrow. Arrow got the shaft because Chris G made him look godlike. Even though the evolution of the game shows that he's not all that.
 

16 Bit

Mash d+1~Cat Claws
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I don't know. People would likely *assume* that she loses to Aquaman and Bane. Basic knowledge of the those character' tools leads to that conclusion.

You sure about that? Very loud voices on Catwoman where saying she WON those matchups before my run in 2014.
 

Amplified$hotz

I like Tekken 8
I dunno about this, we also have top 8 placers/all-around good Zods like Relaxedstate and Viking. I think he without Pig he would have been one of those "super good on paper but why isn't he getting results?" characters.

If Sonicfox didn't absolutely wreck face at any tourney he shows up to me might think Batgirl was out of the top 5 discussion.

Without KDZ I'm not sure we would have known just how broken pre-patch Supes was because Theo played him as more of a zoning character than overwhelming people with f23 into 70% corner combos.

Rico had a lot more success than any other Bladam player, but I feel like we still would have called him broken just because of backdash.

Awesome thread by the way, great idea...
Who is most responsible for the development of ZOD just wondering?