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Kombat Tomb Podcast - Ep. 31 with Emperor Theo

Pig Of The Hut

Pig Of The Hut

Day 0 Phenomenal Dr. Fate and Darkseid player
Sajam

Sajam

Nightwing In Retirement
Yeah, I haven't even finished listening to the NW section and I'm dissapointed in Theo.

We've talked about why zoning Superman with NW is theoretically possible on a lead, but it means you have to make like absolutely 0 mistakes and you could probably do it. Unlike Aquaman, you can't mb ground blast to punish air laser, you only get the non mb follow up. Plus, once I'm in staff he stops doing it at an unsafe height anyway, and I have to try and guess when he's gonna do air laser so I can neutral jump it and punish it, but with his air dash and all the heights he can do it at it sucks.

It makes sense why Theo dropped NW, it's because he just wanted to hurt my feelings :(

Edit: And the comeback potential of Superman in the Supes/NW matchup is ridiculously high for Superman compared to NW.
 
Sajam

Sajam

Nightwing In Retirement
Yeah, and now I'm hearing Slips mention his 50/50s and then Bit mentioned frame traps.

I do go for the 50/50 stuff, and everybody who has NW experience from me here will block that 95% of the time. If they have no NW experience though, then yeah they are probably gonna get opened up.

Plus all this talk about NW tech, the only NW tech I use is my own, and it puts you on one side of the character or the other, and it's a 50/50. I don't go for any BS, only stuff you can't block/see. I wish there wasn't so much NW talk without a NW player there to clarify stuff.

Edit:
"I haven't seen a NW do a really scary mixup off of mb staff spin yet"

That's because there isn't one. Maybe if Theo didn't drop NW after the first week because he said he sucked he would know. I'm extra sad now.
 
NRF CharlieMurphy

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
Sajam said:
Yeah, and now I'm hearing Slips mention his 50/50s and then Bit mentioned frame traps.

I do go for the 50/50 stuff, and everybody who has NW experience from me here will block that 95% of the time. If they have no NW experience though, then yeah they are probably gonna get opened up.

Plus all this talk about NW tech, the only NW tech I use is my own, and it puts you on one side of the character or the other, and it's a 50/50. I don't go for any BS, only stuff you can't block/see. I wish there wasn't so much NW talk without a NW player there to clarify stuff.

Edit:
"I haven't seen a NW do a really scary mixup off of mb staff spin yet"

That's because there isn't one. Maybe if Theo didn't drop NW after the first week because he said he sucked he would know. I'm extra sad now.
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I deal with NW bullshit on a daily basis

Escrima stance is a much scarier stance to face than Staff. Staff is predictable, escrima is not.
Staff just has the bonus of having a MB Trident type move that lets him do it 4 times in a row if he needs to chip you out.
 
RM Truth

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NRF CharlieMurphy said:
I deal with NW bullshit on a daily basis

Escrima stance is a much scarier stance to face than Staff. Staff is predictable, escrima is not.
Staff just has the bonus of having a MB Trident type move that lets him do it 4 times in a row if he needs to chip you out.
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The thing about staff is while its mixups may not be as strong, the amount of advantage he gets on his moves is pretty damn good. He can bully quite a few characters in staff form.
 
Sajam

Sajam

Nightwing In Retirement
NRF CharlieMurphy said:
I deal with NW bullshit on a daily basis

Escrima stance is a much scarier stance to face than Staff. Staff is predictable, escrima is not.
Staff just has the bonus of having a MB Trident type move that lets him do it 4 times in a row if he needs to chip you out.
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Yup, that's exactly right. Escrima is significantly better than staff.

The problem is that escrima's mixups don't work on every character. Lots of characters can't get crossed up by mb flip kick, so you don't even get to use your best mixup tool against them.
 
RM Truth

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EGP Wonder_Chef said:
the thing about staff is that it isn't a mixup stance, it's a pressure stance

it's good because it's so plus on so much that you need to guess as to when to poke out or you basically get infinited.


it's like mk9 johnny cage
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I just said that.....kinda. :(
 
Sajam

Sajam

Nightwing In Retirement
EGP Wonder_Chef said:
the thing about staff is that it isn't a mixup stance, it's a pressure stance

it's good because it's so plus on so much that you need to guess as to when to poke out or you basically get infinited.


it's like mk9 johnny cage
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Except all the holes where you can backdash out or jump out.

When I get cornered by NW, I just block my way out patiently when I'm stuck in escrima. People just don't know how to deal with his pressure cause they haven't taken the time to understand it.
 
NRF CharlieMurphy

NRF CharlieMurphy

Kindergarten Meta
Sajam said:
Yup, that's exactly right. Escrima is significantly better than staff.

The problem is that escrima's mixups don't work on every character. Lots of characters can't get crossed up by mb flip kick, so you don't even get to use your best mixup tool against them.
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MB flip kick. I don't think i've ever seen anyone block this out of a block string. If it crosses up your hitbox, this is a free combo.

it also beats some wakeups clean...... man its dirty.
 
EGP Wonder_Chef

EGP Wonder_Chef

Official Quan Chi Nerf Demander™
Sajam said:
Except all the holes where you can backdash out or jump out.

When I get cornered by NW, I just block my way out patiently when I'm stuck in escrima. People just don't know how to deal with his pressure cause they haven't taken the time to understand it.
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yeah but you have options to stop them from jumping or backdashing

that's the point of pressure is that the opponent eventually has to make a move to get away, but you have options to counter those moves if you read it
 
Sajam

Sajam

Nightwing In Retirement
EGP Wonder_Chef said:
yeah but you have options to stop them from jumping or backdashing

that's the point of pressure is that the opponent eventually has to make a move to get away, but you have options to counter those moves if you read it
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You do, but mostly you are taking a risk with a guessed flying grayson or do b1 and get punished by d1 into special.

Staff pressure good in the corner, but escrima's setups are better there anyway. If people suck at dealing with staff then they are gonna lose anyway, regardless of whether or not it's actually good.
 
TakeAChance

TakeAChance

TYM White Knight
EGP Wonder_Chef said:
the thing about staff is that it isn't a mixup stance, it's a pressure stance

it's good because it's so plus on so much that you need to guess as to when to poke out or you basically get infinited.


it's like mk9 johnny cage
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Pushblocking fucks you over tho. Your only option to get back in is to grayson. Other than that, you are stuck with ass walk speed. It forces you to switch stances again.
 
EGP Wonder_Chef

EGP Wonder_Chef

Official Quan Chi Nerf Demander™
Sajam said:
You do, but mostly you are taking a risk with a guessed flying grayson or do b1 and get punished by d1 into special.

Staff pressure good in the corner, but escrima's setups are better there anyway. If people suck at dealing with staff then they are gonna lose anyway, regardless of whether or not it's actually good.
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why not go for something that will land you a full combo?

like if you think they'll backdash do MB staff slam, that way the risk/reward for the read is evenish

if you think they jump you can do a standing 1 I figure then follow it up
 
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